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Old 22 December 2015, 10:39   #1
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Hi,

Can anyone recommend the 'best' or most appropriate electric pump for my Honwave T38 SIB?

I've seen these from £40 - £180 and to be honest they all seem to do exactly the same thing.

I don't need an integral battery as I have various portable batteries.

Sevylor

or

Bravo 1

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Bravo 2

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...?

(the boat shop actually recommended against an electric pump as they break easily but when inflating my new SIB it took about 25 minutes / many seem to rate them)

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Old 22 December 2015, 10:48   #2
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I use one of the double action pumps, takes no time at all really - Buy Double Action Manual Hand Air Pump at Argos.co.uk - Your Online Shop for Air pumps.

The foot pump is carried for top ups but not initial inflation.
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ive got the bravo 2 spot on but either will be ok pre-set pressure simple.

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The Bravo 2 has about 2.5x the flow rate of the 1 so that's really where the extra money goes between them.

The Sevylor looks a bargain... no experience though. Perhaps you should be the forum tester?

I bought a Bravo manual HP footpump this year that's better than any previous footpump I've used (inc Zodiac OE with new boats). I am sensitive to the racket the Bravo elec HP pumps make and if we're in a quiet location populated with others enjoying the coast I'll avoid the elec pump.
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I've been using a Bravo 2 (digital) for a couple of seasons on both SIB & RIB with no issues. The non-digital version you show may be better in practice because the pressure change function on the digital is a faff. The Bravo 2 is a much faster unit than the others as it uses a fan to quickly fill the tubes with air under minimal pressure before switching to a piston to pressurise them. I suspect that breakages are connected to "misuse" - sand and dust ingress, overheating (20 min max) and water.

Next year I'm going to make a half decent box for mine, so that it can operate without being dragged around outside.
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I might give the Sevylor a go although at 190 l/minute it's far from Bravo 2 territory... There's also the Rule which does high volume/low pressure very fast (550 l/min but only 3 PSI)... I simply fail to see how these things cost upwards of £100... you can get a high pressure pump for your car tyres for about £14 (that goes to 100 PSI!!!) and a low pressure, high volume pump for about £10 for airbeds and the like... combining them costs 4x the price (for a valve and a tiny microprocessor)???

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I might give the Sevylor a go although at 190 l/minute it's far from Bravo 2 territory... There's also the Rule which does high volume/low pressure very fast (550 l/min but only 3 PSI)... I simply fail to see how these things cost upwards of £100... you can get a high pressure pump for your car tyres for about £14 (that goes to 100 PSI!!!) and a low pressure, high volume pump for about £10 for airbeds and the like... combining them costs 4x the price (for a valve and a tiny microprocessor)???

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i bought a rule and it burnt out in 10 mins mandraulic pumps are ok and cheap.you could buy a cheap air bed pump and top up with the manual pump to keep costs down.
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I have used a Rule one for the last 4 years with no problems. Earlier this year I purchased a Bravo 2 pump believing it would give a better pressure than the Rule and found that it did not so just took it back saying it was not fit for purpose.
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I have used a Rule one for the last 4 years with no problems. Earlier this year I purchased a Bravo 2 pump believing it would give a better pressure than the Rule and found that it did not so just took it back saying it was not fit for purpose.
Must have been a faulty unit? Mine pumps my floor to 11psi without any fuss.
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mmmmmm, Perhaps my tubes are too big? I notice in the link that was just provided that the Bravo 2 is only suitable for RIBS up to 6m. Must get a smaller RIB
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mmmmmm, Perhaps my tubes are too big? I notice in the link that was just provided that the Bravo 2 is only suitable for RIBS up to 6m. Must get a smaller RIB
Maybe you should

The Bravo 2 is rated to run for 20mins "continuous". After that it needs a cooling off period to avoid damage. I tend to have a small down period between filling all seven RIB tube sections and so the entire start/stop process takes about 30 minutes, keeping everything cool and smooth. I'd imagine that they feel a 6m RIB can be filled in well under 20 minutes and my experience would support that. It's nothing to do with the size of the RIB per se - just the safe running time of the pump. I still think you had a duff unit...
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i bought a rule and it burnt out in 10 mins .

Did you happen to be recovering a drone at the time? If so, you may find that the pump is stuffed full of someone's barnet.

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I have a bravo superturbo, £130 its perfect for my 3.2 honwave, never looked back, should have bought it years ago!
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Did you happen to be recovering a drone at the time? If so, you may find that the pump is stuffed full of someone's barnet.

Just a thought.
IT wouldn't be mine mollers bald as a coot!
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The Bravo 2 is rated to run for 20mins "continuous". After that it needs a cooling off period to avoid damage.
So yeah - even being careful I've managed to melt the socket joint on the HP piston head. Grrrr!

They appear to be available online - will have a scuffle tomorrow and report back. In no way a faff to extract the broken piston head from the cylinder!

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Willk is that a part you think might benefit from pre-emptive greasing every year?
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Willk is that a part you think might benefit from pre-emptive greasing every year?
The joint still had a thin grease/oil on it and no sign of dirt. It had melted and released the ball on the piston. It's a mare to get into! I'll put a dab of grease on the new one (if I can get one) and fingers crossed.

I haven't overrun mine on time but who knows - a hot day maybe? It's a very flimsy design - not sure why a pin wasn't preferred?
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Think I'll pop the case apart and see if extra grease might help avoid this.
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Electric Pumps bit like Driverless Cars IMO.. NOT needed and making more problems than they solve...for the amount it's needed cost and effort and control involved (minimal) Good ol Foot pump for me every time
The Guys I know who carry electric pumps always seem to carry a manual one for "Backup" anyway!
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Think I'll pop the case apart and see if extra grease might help avoid this.
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