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Old 22 February 2012, 14:20   #51
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more cars on roads than boats on water?
cars get used to go hundred of miles a day?
boats don't need to deal with ice or tight bends?
most boats don't need to worry about animals or people coming out in front?
most sensible people choose not to go out in bad weather in boats, but need to use car to work?
Boats mainly used at weekends if we are lucky?
People use a car to get to boat!

Does this help ?
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Why is it that despite those arrangements far more people die on our roads than on our waterways! In fairness to the OP he is seeking the training in how to handle the boat safely.
Polwart, I always enjoy your posts but that is totally irrelevant and a daft comparison!
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Polwart, I always enjoy your posts but that is totally irrelevant and a daft comparison!
I'm not saying anything Max...

...but have you noticed how he sometimes has these wee flights of "strangeness"?

And how his name backwards is Trawl OP?

cough *gaRfie* cough
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Then did my day skipper coastal the year after in a 40 foot twin engine flybridge Birchwood in the Solent - Seriously good fun - apart from being told to moor in a really tight space between two multimillion gin palaces.
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After reading all the post including Polly's much which I agree, I do wonder how many people are in charge of boats and ribs on the sea and indeed members on here, that rely on years of experience as they were in and around the sea and boats well before there were bits of paper to say you were good!
A piece of paper does not maketh the man/woman: never seen a boat, buy one on Monday sit exams Tues/Wed and off you go on the sea on Thursday, yea I feel safe,not! Probably sh1t themselves first force 4!!!!Give me experience any day.
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After reading all the post including Polly's much which I agree, I do wonder how many people are in charge of boats and ribs on the sea and indeed members on here, that rely on years of experience as they were in and around the sea and boats well before there were bits of paper to say you were good!
A piece of paper does not maketh the man/woman: never seen a boat, buy one on Monday sit exams Tues/Wed and off you go on the sea on Thursday, yea I feel safe,not! Probably sh1t themselves first force 4!!!!Give me experience any day.
I agree - hence the RYA policy is education not legislation.

The OP asked for advice I believe, and is not experienced.

So training has been suggested.

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Polwart, I always enjoy your posts but that is totally irrelevant and a daft comparison!
It was your irrelevant and daft comparison!

If as SPR suggested we only used our cars at weekends in good weather with much lower traffic densities, and generally lower speeds then road casualty rates would fall substantially - and the 'need' for complicated training and testing would fall too (indeed the driving test has become progressively more complicated over the last 80 yrs or so as these factors have increased - although it still generally ignores all the high risk factors SPR mentions: most centres do very little on country roads, tests are never in darkness or very bad weather, and not on motorways!). Interestingly road deaths aren't significantly lower now than they were before the driving test was introduced (although obviously the number of cars is much higher) even though cars are safer.

Looking at RoSPA's stats - it seems more people drown in their cars than from powerboating or sailing each year.

More people die each year rock climbing than powerboating; and more people die in the mountains (from all climbing, walking activities) than at sea (from all watersports) despite roughly similar levels of participation... perhaps we should get a certificate to walk up the hills too!

I can't find any stats comparing casualty rates in countries with mandatory minimum qualifications for leisure boaters and those without but with only around 7 leisure powerboat fatalities per annum in the UK I find it hard to believe that compulsory training would actually reduce this. I've no idea what proportion of UK boaters have voluntarily been trained (PB2 is the RYA's most popular course) but it seems the current system works?
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I agree - hence the RYA policy is education not legislation.

The OP asked for advice I believe, and is not experienced.

So training has been suggested.

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I am not 'dissing' you or the OP your point is well made.
But I still think we over qualify by so called exams with little experince thereby giving people a false sense of ability and achievement.
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no offence taken,

zero to hero comes to mind...

I always assess our club boat drivers regardless of qualifications!

AKA club induction !

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no offence taken,

zero to hero comes to mind...

I always assess our club boat drivers regardless of qualifications!

AKA club induction !

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And a good club it is to with great facilities been often, mate has boat at Anstruther.
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