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Old 22 February 2012, 11:43   #41
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You're not wrong.

He bought a new flatscreen telly at Christmas to replace the one he'd owned for forty years. Nothing wrong with it apart from an annoying flicker every 10 seconds. But he said he wasn't going to bring the new one in til he'd had a bit more use out of the old one.

So I shot it with the loaded crossbow he keeps by the front door.

On carrying the old telly out, he slipped and cracked three ribs. (he was pissed by this time )

We spent the next week doing our best to make him laugh.

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You'd be amazed how many people use fixed and handheld radios and don't even know they need a license, they live in blissful ignorance, bit like all those welsh people who think wales will win this weekend
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So I could buy a VHF radio, but as long as I never use it except in a genuine emergency (which will hopefully be never) I don't really need to do the course and get a licence?

As long as I read up on the correct procedure for making an emergency call (that I'll hopefully never have to do)

I won't get into trouble if I use it in this way?
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So I could buy a VHF radio, but as long as I never use it except in a genuine emergency (which will hopefully be never) I don't really need to do the course and get a licence?

As long as I read up on the correct procedure for making an emergency call (that I'll hopefully never have to do)

I won't get into trouble if I use it in this way?
It is not illegal to own one, or use on channel m & m2 - these are private channels.

Likewise you will not get in to trouble using channel 16 in a distress situation

Reason for doing course:

1) Allows you to use it legally, to call Coastguard, other water users - for weather and safety information logging.

2) you get to practice voice protocol and learn about the other kit that is used PLB, SART etc

3) telling you what channels are used for and when.

It also give you the practice of firming messages and speaking into an inanimated object. (some people find this hard to do)

I would recommend when you can afford the course do it! If do properly you will get a good information, and of I dare say fun.

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It also give you the practice of firming messages and speaking into an inanimated object. (some people find this hard to do)
If you can leave Voicemail, you will probably struggle through it OK...

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So I could buy a VHF radio, but as long as I never use it except in a genuine emergency (which will hopefully be never) I don't really need to do the course and get a licence?

As long as I read up on the correct procedure for making an emergency call (that I'll hopefully never have to do)

I won't get into trouble if I use it in this way?
That is correct. You still need to license the radio (free if done online) with Ofcom. In the interests of balance I should point out that:

(1) You don't want the first time you ever use your radio for real to be in the middle of a mayday call. Having used it for some routine stuff and having made mayday calls in a practice scenario may mean you can actually deliver a more effective / coherent message. Alternatively you may find you are bricking it so much that you are screaming any old rubbish down the mike no matter how much training you do. Afterall the "practice" calls you make in the class will be sitting behind a desk in a warm classroom with no real threat to life.

(2) There are a number of uses (including potential safety benefits) of a VHF radio during normal boating not only when calling for help! e.g. advising CG of your plans; seeking advice; advising of a delay that might initiate a search; telling CG of a developing problem (e.g. dodgy engine, ill crew etc). As well as contacting marina's, other vessels etc. A good instructor will highlight these during the course. If performed even vaguely following the correct radio procedure you are unlikely to get any issues - and I am sure the CG would still rather you bent the rules to tell them of a minor issue without the right license than not call them and have a problem develop to a distress call.
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2) you get to practice voice protocol and learn about the other kit that is used PLB, SART etc
ah, yes the finer points of the GMDSS system, PLBs, EPIRBS, SARTs, NAVTEX and AIS - all not particularly relevant to a SIB user not planning to go out of sight of land.
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although actually most people who have done the course won't remember more than a few of them a week later - but can look them up in an almanac / radio manual / the RYA VHF book!
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So I could buy a VHF radio, but as long as I never use it except in a genuine emergency (which will hopefully be never) I don't really need to do the course and get a licence?

As long as I read up on the correct procedure for making an emergency call (that I'll hopefully never have to do)

I won't get into trouble if I use it in this way?
No but you'll get into trouble if you get into an emergency and you find you can't use it because it doesn't work because you didn't want to make a call to the CG to check it was working because you didn't want to pay 100 to do the VHF course...

Surely if you can afford a boat, engine and associated equipment and a VHF handheld then surely you can afford to spend 100 to do a VHF course..??!

Why is that eyeryone accepts you need to learn to drive a car or motorbike for many hours followed by a stringent test but any old idiot jumps in a boat and heads off to sea with zero training putting all those concerned at risk...
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No but you'll get into trouble if you get into an emergency and you find you can't use it because it doesn't work because you didn't want to make a call to the CG to check it was working because you didn't want to pay 100 to do the VHF course...
although you could do a radio check legally on M/M1; and then not be yet another leisure boater pestering the CG for a radio check.
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Surely if you can afford a boat, engine and associated equipment and a VHF handheld then surely you can afford to spend 100 to do a VHF course..??!
well, maybe, but not everyone on here is rolling in money. Whilst there are other reasons people use SIBs its probably reasonable to assume that many SIB owners are budget restricted. At the same time he is being encouraged to cough up more money for a PB2 (maybe 2 - one for him and the Mrs), an anchor (if he doesn't have one), flares, and a VHF. That is potentially 25% or more of the cost of an entry level SIB package.

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Why is that eyeryone accepts you need to learn to drive a car or motorbike for many hours followed by a stringent test but any old idiot jumps in a boat and heads off to sea with zero training putting all those concerned at risk...
Why is it that despite those arrangements far more people die on our roads than on our waterways! In fairness to the OP he is seeking the training in how to handle the boat safely.
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