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Old 23 January 2008, 15:57   #31
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I think it is fair to say you have seen a real diversity of replies to your original post. The crux of your dilemma revolves around what you actually want the boat for. You said initially that you wanted cruise around the Salcombe estuary/maybe a short cruise along the coast. From personal experience a SIB (eg. Zodiac FR 3.4M; 15HP) would struggle to deliver this versatility. I took such a boat to Salcombe last year and couldn't get out of the estuary due to the conditions. In contrast, the dive rib was able to get out of the estuary without any problem and was quickly on the way towards Dartmouth. Given the unpredictable weather/conditions and the limited holiday opportunities we have in the UK, I would (and did) go for the rib option as it will simply do most of what a SIB will do but with the added advantage of being able to take a crab sandwich in Dartmouth when you fancy (within reason) - the missus and kids will also thank you!!

Just a few thoughts - I was very excited with my SIB then realised it didn't quite match expectations. The rib has done much better.........maybe a Botnia Targa will truely deliver!!



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BLIMEY Codprawn - I would never have thought you could get a SIB that far. I assume this is unusual, or it was one of those 'flat as glass' days?

Anyway - now you've really got me thinking - the Zodiac I've seen can probably get me further than I'd realized.

Thanks again!!
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Old 23 January 2008, 15:59   #32
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BLIMEY Codprawn - I would never have thought you could get a SIB that far. I assume this is unusual, or it was one of those 'flat as glass' days?

Anyway - now you've really got me thinking - the Zodiac I've seen can probably get me further than I'd realized.

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Just because I did it doesn't really mean it was sensible............

It felt pretty exposed out in the middle but coastal hopping is fine!!!
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Old 23 January 2008, 17:00   #33
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You are not going to get a Botnia Targa (any size) nor I think a Zar (any size) for the budget in question. I am becoming increasingly convinced that you can't find the perfect compromise and get it with a bargain budget. Something has to give - speed, looks, comfort, seakeeping, safety, cost (and each person has different priorities otherwise we would all drive the same boats). Possibly the only way to get everything for less - is one of the boat share schemes like Lynx or RibShack... and then compromise on how much you use it.
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Old 23 January 2008, 17:04   #34
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This was a really good thread right up until this:

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55knt top speed and that with a 150 mariner.
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they really fly and can handle some weather, but not like a rib.
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"The Perfect Compromise"

You're right, Daveboy and Polwart - it's difficult if not impossible to find the perfect compromise, particularly on a budget. But I'm not trying to be cheap - it's simply about means.

I started off wanting a little runaround for the family, just to get us on the water, that might pull the kids on a doughnut or something. Not looking for high-speed, wave-jumping thrills. There seemed plenty of options around the 2/3k mark, eg

http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/F163065
http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/TML158
http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/F169561

I could even have got a new Excel and used outboard for around this mark.

Then I noticed that for not alot more I could get a fibreglass bowrider, something that might take us further afield, as many RIBNET experts had told me that a SIB is pretty useless in the chop. So I raised my budget slightly, to consider this type of thing:

http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/F167165
http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/DBO039
http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/F161537

I was getting into deep water here - if you'll excuse the pun - as at this budget the boats were pretty old and being a newbie I wouldn't have known what to look out for.

I then visited Excel BS with Mrs Lordy, where we saw all sorts of finance deals on brand new (bowrider) boats at around the 15k mark. A big leap from my little 2k runaround, but thanks to all the great advice I've had on Ribnet, a wise move in my eyes.

I therefore posted this thread, looking for a forum as good as this for fibreglass boats - they don't exist!! - and have received all this additional and quite unexpected advice from Ribnetters.

So, it may look like I'm cheap, hard to please and going around in circles, but with all the excellent advice I've had from the enthusiastic experts on this forum - both on inflatables and fibreglass boats - it is difficult to find that perfect compromise.

For now I'll probably pass on the Botnia, but am giving serious thought to a semi second-hand open dayboat AND (as a tender?!!) a second-hand SIB.
Not sure how I'm going to get this past Mrs Lordy, but it seems the perfect compromise, albeit a little excessive for a newbie.

Oh - and without a shadow of a doubt, a day or two's training in speedboat handling.

Sorry to waffle....
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Are you sure you want the fuel costs of a petrol inboard and finance on top?
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Are you sure you want the fuel costs of a petrol inboard and finance on top?
Good question, but open dayboats seem to be mostly outboard and hopefully the semi-secondhand option will cut finance costs considerably.

Must admit, though, hadn't appreciated there was a major fuel consumption difference between outboard and inboard, though understand the 2-stroke vs. 4-stroke.

Thanks Nos4r2 - more good advice to add to my tick list!
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Eh? There's plenty of Rib sized cabin day boats designed for Outboards..... And for a given size of boat why will an X litre inboard drink more than a similar sized outboard (Assuming a nice new-ish 4 stroke) , which you'd need for similar performance? Especially when with inboard you can use diesel.......
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Eh? There's plenty of Rib sized cabin day boats designed for Outboards.....
Yep, and they are probably a better option.
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And for a given size of boat why will an X litre inboard drink more than a similar sized outboard (Assuming a nice new-ish 4 stroke) , which you'd need for similar performance? Especially when with inboard you can use diesel.......
The stated budget is highly unlikely to stretch to a diesel.

Working on the stated budget,you need more HP in an inboard petrol for the same performance as an outboard.<edit for Jono's/any other pedant's sake>in the same hull</edit>(off the top of my head it's about 140hp in an inboard for the same performance as a 90hp outboard-but I may be wrong. It's not far off though.) The fuel consumption rule of thumb of 10% of HP in gallons per hour still applies.



Unless of course you were really lucky and managed to pick something up with a Vario or a Mercruiser 1.7 diesel.
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The fuel consumption rule of thumb of 10% of HP in gallons per hour still applies.
At last - a calculation I can put to fuel consumption. Thanks Nos4r2.

So, if I had a 90hp and petrol is about 4.85 a gallon, does that mean I'd be looking at (9 x 4.85) 43.65 an hour to run?

And does the same calculation apply to 2-stroke?

Helps to focus the mind...and the budget!!
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