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Old 26 August 2008, 10:46   #1
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Advice Please

I am looking to getting back into boating after a break for ill health. Having has a Yam 330 and a Quicksilver 380 with Hard Floors, as well as a Yam 270 with Airdeck I really think I need the hard floor. Would like to be able to carry 3 or 4 people, possibly one or two with diving gear occasionally - and be able to get places in reasonable time. Thinking of a 430 size boat with a 25 or 30 HP Engine. Would welcome comments on the following: Yam 430s, Quicksilver 430s, Excel 430s - and Mariner or Mercury 25 / 30 HP 4 Strokes. Thanks
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Old 26 August 2008, 12:32   #2
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I have had a Yam 430S, with aluminium floor, for a few years and been very happy with it. Originally fitted with a Yamaha 20hp 2 stroke which was a bit sluggish. Changed to a Yamaha 30hp 2 stroke and the performance is excellent (if sometimes a little hard to control at speed in rough conditions!) even when fully loaded. Personally I would go with the biggest outboard that the boat can take; better to have too much power than too little. Definitely go with an aluminium floor if you are taking dive gear. I believe Yam have changed the manufacturer of their SIBs in the last couple of years (I think they are now made by Zodiac?) so can't comment on quality of current models.

My choice out of Yam, Quicksilver and Excel would however be Quicksilver. Very well made robust SIBs at competitive prices. Definitely stick with Mercury/Mariner if you go the Quicksilver route as these brands are all from Brunswick Marine and the SIB/engine package prices are excellent.

If you are thinking 4.30m boat with a 25/30hp engine, you also need to be thinking about a trailer to go with it!
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Old 26 August 2008, 14:21   #3
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Thanks Trickdog. I am looking at packages now with the Quicksilver 430 and probably a 30 HP engine to see what is around. I see you are in worcester - I am just up the road near Bewdley - where do you take your RIB and how often do you get out and about?
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Old 27 August 2008, 06:24   #4
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Yup live in Worcester... Not best located for anything other than river or canal boating! I have family in Cornwall so do most of my boating down there (cheap accommodation!). I had a Yam 380 which I upgraded to a Yam 430, which I keep on a trailer in my parent's garage (very handy!) and just had a Northcraft RIB built this year, which I am currently keeping on farm also in Cornwall. I get down there about every third weekend but it's work and weather dependant Really want to do some exploring of the Welsh coast with the RIB, and would also love to do the Scilly Isles, but I guess that is likely to have to wait until next year now. The crappy weather this year has been soooo frustrating!

The RIB offers so much over the SIB in terms of capability, but not much in convenience. And the difference is cost of the two forms of boating is staggering! I think SIBs are fantastic value for the pleasure and opportunities they provide. I have had some fantastic times in mine over the years.

Where will you be keeping and using your boat?

I have just read a few of your past posts and noticed that you had a RIB. Did you store it anywhere local? Also noticed you had a nice cover made locally, could you tell me where (well, if they are still in business!)?

Thanks David
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Old 27 August 2008, 06:32   #5
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Hi David
Yes, we had a beautiful 6.2 Metre Avon Adventure with a Honda 130 on the back. We were very active in the early days of Ribnet, and attended many cruises around the south coast and wales. I am also a Powerboat Instructor, and used to do some training around North Wales. We kept the RIB (Topaz) on her trailer at Stourport Marina. Security was good, access 24/7 and she was well looked after there. Used to cost me £140 per year for storage - great deal. We had to sell her due to changes in personal circumstances - and I am now desperate to get back on the water. Think a RIB will be outside my price range at present - so a SIB it will have to be.

We had the cover made at Wilsons Covers at Kinver. Did a great job - and they made us 2 - one full cover for general use and towing, and a console cover for when we left the boat on a mooring for lunch etc - kept eyes off of the electronics!!!

We are in Cornwall this week - hoping to hire a RIB for a day on the south coast if they have one free on the day we want it.

Would love to keep in touch - if I get a boat will let you know

My mobile for info is 07966 535138

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Old 27 August 2008, 12:41   #6
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I have been offered a package with a Tohatsu 4.2m SIB and a 30HP Tohatsu Enginehave seen these fro sale etc but never seen one for real so to speak. Anyone know if these are any good - and how they compare to the Quicksilver / Yam / Excel / Mariner / Mercury ranges. Thanks
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Old 27 August 2008, 15:53   #7
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I have been offered a package with a Tohatsu 4.2m SIB and a 30HP Tohatsu Enginehave seen these fro sale etc but never seen one for real so to speak. Anyone know if these are any good - and how they compare to the Quicksilver / Yam / Excel / Mariner / Mercury ranges. Thanks
Most Sib new brands are Asian quality manufactured, some Hypalon alternatives available upon request. Quicksilver is the Mercury/Mariner (Brunswick) commercial boat name/logo. Mercury/Mariner 30 HP engines, with shaft & pinion tiller are rebadged Tohatsu same 30 HP engines. Save $$, buy a 25 HP 2 strokes and convert for peanuts to 30 HP, check previous convertion post.

Don't think Tohatsu will lose their well known engine manufacturer reputation for the last 50 years, selling bad quality sib/ribs to equip their engines.

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Old 27 August 2008, 16:24   #8
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... Mercury/Mariner 30 HP engines, with shaft & pinion tiller are rebadged Tohatsu same 30 HP engines. Save $$, buy a 25 HP 2 strokes and convert for peanuts to 30 HP, check previous convertion post.
but as you will see from his profile Graeme is in the UK, and as you know is very unlikely to be able to find a new 2stroke. So I would guess the package he is being offered is a 4stroke.


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Don't think Tohatsu will lose their well known engine manufacturer reputation for the last 50 years, selling bad quality sib/ribs to equip their engines.
there is a word(s) missing from that sentence and it makes a huge difference to the interpretation did you mean:

Don't think Tohatsu will lose their well known engine manufacturer reputation for the last 50 years, despite selling bad quality sib/ribs to equip their engines.

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Don't think Tohatsu will risk losing their well known engine manufacturer reputation for the last 50 years, by selling bad quality sib/ribs to equip their engines.
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Old 28 August 2008, 06:15   #9
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Most Sib new brands are Asian quality manufactured, some Hypalon alternatives available upon request. Quicksilver is the Mercury/Mariner (Brunswick) commercial boat name/logo. Mercury/Mariner 30 HP engines, with shaft & pinion tiller are rebadged Tohatsu same 30 HP engines. Save $$, buy a 25 HP 2 strokes and convert for peanuts to 30 HP, check previous convertion post.

Don't think Tohatsu will lose their well known engine manufacturer reputation for the last 50 years, selling bad quality sib/ribs to equip their engines.

Happy Sibbing
I hate to say it, but I don't think they give a **** about their reputation tomorrow, they only care about their profits today.

The Quicksilver/Mercury badged boats are now made in China, as are all the Mercury 40-70hp motors. Anything under that, are just re-stickered Tohatsu's.

These (Quicksilver / Yam / Excel / Mariner / Mercury, etc.) are now only brand names, they are no longer companies, and are manufactured to a price point, to fill a particular market segment. Whether or not it is quality, depends on the segment they are targeting with these names.

The names mean nothing anymore, you have to compare model to model, specs to specs.
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Old 28 August 2008, 09:26   #10
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Not made in hina

Maybe it's easier to list what’s not made in China?
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