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Old 28 November 2018, 18:57   #1
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Achilles SGX-122 vs. Defender 380

Looking for opinions on either boat or other suggestions. Currently have an Achilles LSR310 (roll up aluminum floor) with Tohatsu 9.9 two stroke. Love the package, but have come down with a case of "two footitis" and am considering the two boats in the title.

Our boat and motor ride in a bay of our RV and stays inflated and used daily anywhere from a week to month. We use it for fishing, duck hunting, pulling wake surf boards (we're light), and cocktail cruises around the marinas. We primarily use the inflatable in San Diego Bay and the Gulf of California.

New motor is planned to be the Suzuki 20 EFI four stroke. Important to us would be durability, steadiness while standing to fish, and as comfortable of a ride as is possible in a boat this size in chop/waves.

Any thoughts? Thank you,

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Old 29 November 2018, 06:35   #2
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hi Kurt

personally i would go achilles hypalon rated to 35 hp solid built boats 4 chambers + keel.
the defender has a good spec especially with overpressure valves cheaper in PVC.
consider mercury HD PVC or hypalon too also ceasa surf cat hypalon or PVC.
achilles with the suzuki 20 hp would be a nice set up
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Old 29 November 2018, 12:12   #3
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Thank you for the input Jeff. Surf Cat looks interesting. We've been very satisfied with our Achilles and don't think you can go wrong with one, I am intrigued though by the Defender brand boats. Have never seen one or seen anything written first hand about them. They must sell them because they keep building them. They state the CSM is commercial grade and the boat weighs considerably more than the Achilles 12 and 13 foot boats (Defender 234lbs, Achilles 12 167lbs, Achilles 13 187lbs). They also have additional rub strakes and wear patches. I would guess they would be relatively "sturdy".
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Old 29 November 2018, 12:29   #4
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Thank you for the input Jeff. Surf Cat looks interesting. We've been very satisfied with our Achilles and don't think you can go wrong with one, I am intrigued though by the Defender brand boats. Have never seen one or seen anything written first hand about them. They must sell them because they keep building them. They state the CSM is commercial grade and the boat weighs considerably more than the Achilles 12 and 13 foot boats (Defender 234lbs, Achilles 12 167lbs, Achilles 13 187lbs). They also have additional rub strakes and wear patches. I would guess they would be relatively "sturdy".

Yep agree the defender spec is very good it's about 12 lbs heavier than my Mercury which the extras would account for the extra weight I'm very pleased with mine so no dought the defender will do the job but with no feedback from others or see one I wouldn't buy personally.
I know someone who is buying a surfcat it's a very good boat and well worth a look.
You know the Achilles and what your getting so that's got to be the number one at present.
The surfcat would suit your activities with the more efficient hull shape and the 20 Suzuki
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Old 30 November 2018, 12:18   #5
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Worth a look too part of zodiac the 3.8 Ali floor might be up your street with speed tubes.

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Thank you Jeff. I looked them up and they look interesting, albeit more expensive. I like the comments about smoother ride in chop. Would the Suzuki 20 four stoke be enough for the Zodiac? What is the preferred engine for that boat?
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The air floor one I looked at yesterday 3.7 m takes a 25 max so 20 would be a great combo without looking not sure what the Ali floor Max is 3.8 but a 20 would still perform well a mate on here has a 4m honwave with a 20 Suzuki and it performs really well.
To be honest the AKA boat is a futura with the same price tag much the same design as the surfcat with speed tubes.
Now another in the mix is the new quicksilver sport 420 HD in grey or red retailing at £1540.00 over here also has speed tubes don't know much about it as yet but with a look at that price if it's anything like my Mercury it will be a sound boat at the right money
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Thanks again Jeff!

Call me crazy, but I'm leaning toward the Defender just to try one out, someone has to do it and report about them :-) I called Defender and spoke at length with a man that I believe was very knowledgeable on SIBs and RIBs. He said the Defenders are their own design but built in the same plant as other, larger in sales, name brands. If I compare the look/design of the Zodiacs and Bombards to the Defenders, I see similarities.

He said the Defender is a much heavier duty boat and the 234 lb weight would support that statement. Its similar in weight to an equal length Mercury HD or Bombard. Its missing some fancy plastic/rubber bits that are on some of the others, but I think the basic boat should be excellent. Also, they have proven to me and many others they are a great company to work with.

Please let me know if you think I'm crazy or not considering something :-)

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Old 04 December 2018, 04:55   #9
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no dont think your crazy at all it's a good spec boat, to be honest i buy HD boats so it will take the abuse i'm not one to mollycoddle my boats its a tool to use IMO. Price always reflects the spec, i think all companies want to sell boats so they have to be up there on spec, design, lifespan with each other. personally i wanted a bombard when i bought mine but it was at the time zodiac were having problems, my dealer offered me the mercury because he sold a lot to commercial companies as work boats that was enough for me so i bought
salesmen can sway you but if you know a bit yourself you know when they genuinely know their stuff & others have said the company are good its a safe bet i think. if you get to have a look at one would be best if still unsure
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Found another potential option on the other side of the spectrum. Dux UD-400. Just got off the phone with the company founder and he said it will do everything we want it to do and he will make it any color or dimensions we want. Said the new 20 hp motors would be fine on them. Supposedly very strong boats.

duxboats.com

What do you guys think?

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