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Old 13 June 2011, 03:01   #21
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About to get myself a new vehicle, but am slightly torn between getting a manual or automatic.

Well used to towing with a manual, but never done so with an Automatic.

Will putting an automatic in Park on a slipway, absolutely mean it won't move?

Will an automatic cope with a slippery slipway and 6.5m Rib OK?

Any advice gratefully received!
To be really honest you should not be too worried about manual or auto (I prefer auto for towing) more worried about make of vehicle!

I have several Land Rovers including a new Range Rover (which I love) but would never ever recommend them to anybody due to very poor reliabilty concerns. All of my Landys including my 1996 300tdi Defender have problems from now and then. The absolute worst was a disco 2 TD5. Its reliability was just plain awful and thats a fact before anybody starts raving about how great they are. I dont deny they look good and off road/towing are very good but forget it if you think they wont let you down.

I also challenge event landys and have driven them/repaired them all over the world during my time spent in the armed forces. In fact it was during the intial Bosnian conflict that the UN decided Land Rover reliabilty (not off road capability which is excellent) was so poor we returned our entire fleet (over 300 vehicles) and replaced with Toyota land crusiers and hiluxs!

We even made Land Rover continue to make the 300tdi (called Wolf) defenders when they stopped selling them to the public because the TD5 was so unreliable.

Saying all that I still love them but if its going to be your only 'pride and joy' get an auto Hilux - you wont be sorry.

Hope that helps
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Old 13 June 2011, 03:13   #22
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Tried 'em all in every combo and ended up shovelling it out. Had the Disco stuck twice, never had the L200 with ATs stuck.
Mollers - please take this reply with the respect I mean it to have but - to say an L200 got through when a disco 2 could not does not ring true. For starters an L 200 has old cart springs so axle articulation and hence full off road capabilty is not nearly as good as a spring coil axle. Secondly you say your L 200 had all terrains which after driving in deserts for years has proven to be the tyre of choice for such terrain - what shoes did the disco have? Third did your disco have terrain responce or good old diff lock and did you use it? Were the terrain conditions the same for when the disco got stuck and the all terrain shod L200 got through identical?

In the end its down to driver ability and if you had said the disco broke down in the sand and caught fire or rusted away before you had time to recover your boat to the slip then that I could beleive but not the info given possibly suggesting an L200 mitsy is better on sand than a disco.

Sorry old chap just my thoughts but given with extensive driver experience.
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Old 13 June 2011, 05:18   #23
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So even with all the toys & bells they're still not idiot proof then
I'll pass that on to the Missus, the stuckee.
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Old 13 June 2011, 05:26   #24
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Mollers - please take this reply with the respect I mean it to have but - to say an L200 got through when a disco 2 could not does not ring true..
It's a 3 and yeah, tyres were/are a big part of it. It wasn't a case of getting 'through'. It was being able to pull away on ice.

Won't be convinced, that auto is better than manual when there's next to zero grip. Sorry. All respect due and all that.

I also prefer manual going down hill on ice. Low box, feet off pedals is far preferable to HDC in my book. Only my old skool opinion, no one has to agree.
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Old 13 June 2011, 06:23   #25
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It's a 3 and yeah, tyres were/are a big part of it. It wasn't a case of getting 'through'. It was being able to pull away on ice.

Won't be convinced, that auto is better than manual when there's next to zero grip. Sorry. All respect due and all that.

I also prefer manual going down hill on ice. Low box, feet off pedals is far preferable to HDC in my book. Only my old skool opinion, no one has to agree.
Hi Mollers

Glad you took as was intended. As you and I both say tyres make a huge diffrence. I didnt suggest, though, that an auto is better off road infact the complete oppisite as I use a manual Defender for serious challenge/winch events - would never use an auto for really sticky stuff. I will have a read through my posts again just to make sure I didnt suggest that autos were better off piste - dont want to miss inform anyone! Indeed many appolgies if I at all suggested that was the case.

I do as Im sure you agree stand by the fact towing heavy loads on steep inclanations etc with an auto with no clutch to slip or burn out is very advantageous though.

I cant seem to find anyway of including smilies in my thread via the Iphone so instead heres a smile just for you Mollers :-)
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Old 13 June 2011, 07:34   #26
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Old 14 June 2011, 19:58   #27
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Mollers - please take this reply with the respect I mean it to have but - to say an L200 got through when a disco 2 could not does not ring true. For starters an L 200 has old cart springs so axle articulation and hence full off road capabilty is not nearly as good as a spring coil axle. Secondly you say your L 200 had all terrains which after driving in deserts for years has proven to be the tyre of choice for such terrain - what shoes did the disco have? Third did your disco have terrain responce or good old diff lock and did you use it? Were the terrain conditions the same for when the disco got stuck and the all terrain shod L200 got through identical?

In the end its down to driver ability and if you had said the disco broke down in the sand and caught fire or rusted away before you had time to recover your boat to the slip then that I could beleive but not the info given possibly suggesting an L200 mitsy is better on sand than a disco.

Sorry old chap just my thoughts but given with extensive driver experience.
i have an l200 on road tyres. bog standard bridgestone 205s, also have a td5 disco and do 90% of my mileage off road the l200 is thirsty but it is just better than a disco in the mud, shouldnt be but it is, the disco is a far better tow vehicle though, big trailers just push the l200 all over the place, the disco takes it easier
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Cool markg - pleased for you.

So in the end auto better than manual for towing?
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Old 15 June 2011, 03:18   #29
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Auto every time. Much easier all round; long journeys, slipways etc. I had a Disco 300tdi for towing. Only time the auto box ever got a little unhappy was towing a 10m back from Wales up and down lots of hills when it got a little warm. Lurcher on here has both (Disco 3) used for towing and he said to me once never touch a manual.

Managed to pull a 4ish ton boat up a slipway with it once as well, no fuss at all (the weight was so massive, even in forward at idle the car was moving backwards down the slip).
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Old 15 June 2011, 03:22   #30
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If you can drive properly, you don't need someone to work the gearbox for you. .
That comment reminds me of one a police-man made after my 80 year old Grandmother drove her car into a ditch (after being driven into the side of) at a very well known accident blackspot: "there's nothing wrong with this junction. It's the drivers"
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