Wheel Studs Broke - Could have been Horendous

[Bigplumbs]

Originally Posted by jeffstevens763@g

the thing is corrosion would increase the torque needed to undo the nuts so it might not be over tighten merely just maybe undo and grease now and then to prevent it.

The nuts on the studs that broke were greased and were not seized in any way

[Bigplumbs]

Originally Posted by Fender

My observation was that Mr BP has on a number of occasions tried to come across as a mechanical god, with experience and ownership of every engine known to man ( I'm elaborating just a little bit ) and only recently purchased a torque wrench, which is a bit of a contradiction - in my book
100% agree about the wheel coming off and glad no-one was hurt, just a little pride and hopefully lesson learnt

Certain individuals do like attention and start identical threads on different forums, which is absolutely fine and their prerogative, but not something that's ever appealed to me

All the above is obviously IMHO

Final point, BP has given out enough cr@p to other posters on this forum ( and other sites ), he should be man enough to take a little back

As I said I have no interest in anything you post

[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by Fender

Certain individuals do like attention and start identical threads on different forums.....

At least he hasn’t made it across to the FB group[emoji106]

[willk]

Good grief!

There's no torqueing to some people.

[spartacus]

I'm surprised this thread has made 3 pages and hasn't ended up in the usual debacle!

First off, just how many people use a torque wrench on trailer wheel studs? I think the OP makes a valid point and something for us all to be aware of and puts his hands up to over tightening. Greasing the wheel studs has helped stretch the thread under tension and ultimately led to their failure.

My experience.

Yes, by all means use a very light smear of grease but do not over tighten. Get yourself an extendable wheel wrench from Halfords or B&Q for under £10 and ditch your standard car wrench.

Don't stand on a wrench to undo or tighten a wheel stud. If its on that tight, then it is likely to fail prematurely.

Periodically remove trailer road wheels. Good opportunity to check stub axles, brakes and bearings.

Tighten wheel studs in sequence, choosing the next opposite stud diagonally.

[HDAV]

Originally Posted by charliee

Oh I love this forum; with Torque wrench in hand I just wondered if anyone can suggest a suitable torque setting to affix some steel "ifor whilliams" style wheels to an 1800kg single axle trailer having hubs with M16 5 stud 6.5” PCD?

197nm

https://ntta.co.uk/law/trailers/wheels-tightening

[Poly]

Originally Posted by Bigplumbs

As I said I have no interest in anything you post

Probably easier to go into your User CP and add to the Ignore List than repeatedly telling him.

[cjj216]

Originally Posted by spartacus

I'm surprised this thread has made 3 pages and hasn't ended up in the usual debacle!



First off, just how many people use a torque wrench on trailer wheel studs? I think the OP makes a valid point and something for us all to be aware of and puts his hands up to over tightening. Greasing the wheel studs has helped stretch the thread under tension and ultimately led to their failure.



My experience.



Yes, by all means use a very light smear of grease but do not over tighten. Get yourself an extendable wheel wrench from Halfords or B&Q for under £10 and ditch your standard car wrench.



Don't stand on a wrench to undo or tighten a wheel stud. If its on that tight, then it is likely to fail prematurely.



Periodically remove trailer road wheels. Good opportunity to check stub axles, brakes and bearings.



Tighten wheel studs in sequence, choosing the next opposite stud diagonally.

I’d say all of that is spot on.

This would probably be seen as a sexist remark these days but when I first started driving my uncle told me that a wheel should be able to be put on or taken off by a woman with a hand wrench, so tighten by hand as tight as an average woman could tighten it, nipping up opposite nuts till right, never to stand on it to tighten, and only stand on it if it won’t come off by hand.
He also advised against greasing wheel nuts. He’d dip them in engine oil and then wipe the oil off before fitting.
I’ve had 2 bearing failures with boat trailers.
About 20 years ago. One in the first year of owning a boat trailer Replaced the bearings then had another disintegrate 2 seasons later. Since then I change my trailer bearings annually. It’s cheap and quick to do. Even then I still check for heat in the hubs every 100 miles when towing long distance.

[Bigplumbs]

Originally Posted by Poly

Probably easier to go into your User CP and add to the Ignore List than repeatedly telling him.

That's one approach but there are of course others

[Fender]

Originally Posted by Bigplumbs

As I said I have no interest in anything you post

So you keep saying after reading my posts................

Originally Posted by spartacus

I'm surprised this thread has made 3 pages and hasn't ended up in the usual debacle!

3 Pages about Big Plumbs unattached nuts........ ' That's what she said! '

Originally Posted by Poly

Probably easier to go into your User CP and add to the Ignore List than repeatedly telling him.

Spoil sport

[Fender]

Originally Posted by Bigplumbs

That's one approach but there are of course others

Is that a threat?

[Nos4r2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OO27A8xllA

[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by Nos4r2

[emoji23][emoji23] Needs a few toy P38’s & Zeros circling for authenticity [emoji6]

[Bigplumbs]

Ignoring all the unhelpful and childish posts.

Having now received my Torque Wrench I have loosened of the wheel nuts and tightened them to 80 Newton Meters which seems to be there or there abouts according to various specs I have found on line.


All I would say is that it is a lot less tight than I feel most people would tighten to if they were simply using a wheel brace or similar

[Last Tango]

Originally Posted by Bigplumbs

All I would say is that it is a lot less tight than I feel most people would tighten to if they were simply using a wheel brace or similar...

It is.

I use these......cheap and peace of mind...........

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-x-CHEC...IAAOSwTuJYt0qP

[Bigplumbs]

Originally Posted by Last Tango

It is.

I use these......cheap and peace of mind...........

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-x-CHEC...IAAOSwTuJYt0qP

Those just show Position of your nuts not how tight they are and also it was the stud that broke in my situation

[Last Tango]

Originally Posted by Bigplumbs

Those just show Position of your nuts not how tight they are and also it was the stud that broke in my situation

Yes.

But you can see if they're loosening. Peace of mind if, as you rightly say,
80nm doesn't feel as tight as you would have expected.
Virtually every truck on the road uses them.

[willk]

Originally Posted by Bigplumbs

Those just show Position of your nuts not how tight they are and also it was the stud that broke in my situation

Actually, they have a thermal indicator feature as well - melting at 125C. So they might have pulled your plums outta the fire on the other wheel. I'd never heard of this feature, but over the years I've found it rewarding to carefully consider the advice of others...

[jwalker]

Grease em up and put lock nuts on em. Job done.

[Dry suit diver]

Originally Posted by jeffstevens763@g

oh i read all BP'S threads and your right some own goals, but i treat each thread on its own merits and this one is one the most important the consequences could be catastrophic the trailer is one of the most overlooked by many thats all i'm saying.

to further this how many do use a torque wrench never supplied by car manufactures for wheel nuts i just hand tighten and stand on it [wheel brace] never had one loosen.

Only levels of tightness needed are

FT finger tight
NU nipped up
WUH whanged up hard

There is of course EFT extremely flipping tight . Usually done by the knuckle dragger with no mechanical sympathy [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]