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Old 21 May 2014, 10:35   #1
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What size trailer?

I have a dilema. My boat (old zodiac 530 Pro) is currently on an old snipe brake back bunk trailer that has a very basic cantilever spring arm suspension. Under my boat the camber on the tyres is excessive and mud flap clearance is minimal. It's un-braked and rated to 750kg. I've decided to replace it as I would prefer a roller trailer and the cost of modifying the current one isn't worth it. At the same time, I'm making some changes to the boat, new engine, consoles, fuel tanks etc and I don't know what it will weigh when finished. I've put some numbers together:-

Boat 250kg (from hull plate, assuming tubes included)
Battery 15kg
New engine 155kg (Tohatsu TLDI MD90C2, from Tohatsu)
Aux Engine 25kg (old Johnson 4.5 seagull)
Aframe + boxes 12kg (estimated - will measure)
Fuel + tanks 65kg (Estimated, 70+12l in plastic tanks)
Console 30kg (inc electronics and steering)
Anchor locker 15kg (will measure to check)
Anchor + wraps 10kg

Total mass comes out at 577kg. Assuming a trailer mass of 170kg, that gives pretty much 750kg. I will be right on the limit for an unbraked trailer with no spare capacity for other kit.

The dilemma is do I go for the much cheaper unbraked trailer with less maintenance to worry about but probably be a bit over the limit, or go for the additional capacity in case I put anything else on the boat or want to travel with kit in it (we're divers), but have to pay 500 extra for the trailer and then additional servicing?

For what its worth, I'm considering the extreme 1100 super roller at about 1700 and 500 delivery (its a long way from Southampton to Cumbria), or the 750 super roller at about 1100 and 70 delivery (comes in a kit by courier). My boat is on the length limit also for the 750.

Any comments greatly appreciated!

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Old 21 May 2014, 11:57   #2
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I would advise taking the boat on its current trailer to a weighbridge, as I think you will be surprised how much it actually weights (weight on hull plates are notoriously inaccurate). I had a customer in a similar situation to you with a Humber 5.3m & Honda 90hp recently. He had done the maths and come out around 750kg. When he weighed the rig, it came out at 900kg!

If you are interested, we could supply a SBS R2/1000EL (with full EU type approval) including delivery to Whitehaven for 2000 + VAT. See South Coast Boat Trailers - R2/1000EL Single Axle Multi Roller Boat Trailer. I would advise you to compare the build quality of the different trailers before making a decision and decide if you want a trailer that meets the EU type approval standard.
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Old 21 May 2014, 12:36   #3
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500 delivery! Is that a typo?
I drive down to Southampton a fair bit so might be able to tow it back for you to Manchester for a charitable donation (plus snacks on the way)
Maybe even a bit further North if the snacks hold out....
I'm down here this afternoon and tomorrow and again in a couple of weeks.
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Talk to Dan at degraff trailers....in my opinion top class trailers and a really nice bloke too!
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I would advise taking the boat on its current trailer to a weighbridge, as I think you will be surprised how much it actually weights (weight on hull plates are notoriously inaccurate). I had a customer in a similar situation to you with a Humber 5.3m & Honda 90hp recently. He had done the maths and come out around 750kg. When he weighed the rig, it came out at 900kg!

If you are interested, we could supply a SBS R2/1000EL (with full EU type approval) including delivery to Whitehaven for 2000 + VAT. See South Coast Boat Trailers - R2/1000EL Single Axle Multi Roller Boat Trailer. I would advise you to compare the build quality of the different trailers before making a decision and decide if you want a trailer that meets the EU type approval standard.
+1 nice trailer n well built
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Old 21 May 2014, 15:53   #6
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I was surprised at my rigs weight. I have an 1100kg rated trailer and worked out if be right on the limit or just under. I took it to the weighbridge and found I was 1220kg with only a few lines and small anchor. Let alone any other kit.

I spoke to DeGraaff trailers but they were quite immovable on their advertised price and poor trade in value for a pretty reasonable Roller Coaster 3 trailer, surprisingly. So I've plumped for an SBS R2/1800 trailer from SW Trailers (post above) and it should be here soon!


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Old 22 May 2014, 06:53   #7
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Also if buying to trailre spec remember the lentgth pof a Rib has a good metre od toob overhang that isnlt ther eon a hard boat.....

can usually subtract a m when spec-in a trailer's length !
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Deep down I knew it would be the more expensive option. It is a boat after all and when is anything ever cheap!

The Extreme delivery cost (read that whichever way you like) was because it involved a bloke dragging it up then driving back again. I'm in Bristol fairly frequently so can take a day trip to collect, if I go for that option. I emailed Extreme and they have informed me that their EU type approval is "in its final stages" as it is not required until the 29th October this year.

SW - Thanks for the offer. I'll keep it in mind.

Thanks all

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for a price comparison give John Nicholson a call for a quote. they are very good trailers and we are very pleased with our recent twin axle purchase. it was worth the drive up north to collect.

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I emailed Extreme and they have informed me that their EU type approval is "in its final stages" as it is not required until the 29th October this year.
EU Type Approval has been on its way in for some time and became compulsory on 29th October 2013. Most of the big brands like SBS and Indespension are now supplying trailers that meet the EU type approval. There is a exemption for "Special Purpose" trailers until 29th October this year, but the Department for Transport have advised that boat trailers would not be considered "Special Purpose" unless they are unable to comply for some reason - Boat Trailers and Type Approval.

It is important that you get this right, as using a trailer on the road that requires type approval but doesn't have it would be illegal and could invalidate any insurance that was in place.
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