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Old 23 May 2014, 05:36   #11
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I've had some info from Admiral trailers. There prices are between Extreme and SBS and they say, although not yet type approved, they can provide a trailer which will meet the requirements, or can be individually approved for about £85, or supply specification certificate to allow use in Europe.

So, more questions......

Firstly, anybody have any recent experience with Admiral? They have been great so far at answering emails and providing information. All the info I can find on the forum is quite old and they may have been in liquidation for a while. It is the same bunch as their product/reputation appeared to be pretty good.

Secondly, this Type Approval thing. Clearly not all boat trailers have it. What is the issue if they don't? I understand that additional lighting, reflectors and design details may be required, so type approved trailers may be better, but in the case above where a type approval compliant spec trailer is available without the paperwork in place for type approval, what does this mean as a trailer owner?

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From what I've read If you intend using abroad it needs type approval. If used only in the UK it doesn't need to be Type Approved.
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From what I've read If you intend using abroad it needs type approval. If used only in the UK it doesn't need to be Type Approved.
Type Approval applies throughout the European Union including the United Kingdom. Some mainland European (many of whom have had their own similar approval systems and lighting requirements in place for several years) are being more pro-active at enforcing the legislation than the UK authorities appear to be at present. I expect it won't be to long before DVSA (formerly VOSA) get in on the act though.
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I've had some info from Admiral trailers. There prices are between Extreme and SBS and they say, although not yet type approved, they can provide a trailer which will meet the requirements, or can be individually approved for about £85, or supply specification certificate to allow use in Europe.

So, more questions......

Firstly, anybody have any recent experience with Admiral? They have been great so far at answering emails and providing information. All the info I can find on the forum is quite old and they may have been in liquidation for a while. It is the same bunch as their product/reputation appeared to be pretty good.

Secondly, this Type Approval thing. Clearly not all boat trailers have it. What is the issue if they don't? I understand that additional lighting, reflectors and design details may be required, so type approved trailers may be better, but in the case above where a type approval compliant spec trailer is available without the paperwork in place for type approval, what does this mean as a trailer owner?

Thanks again......

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A few points:

1. Type approval applies throughout the European Union, including the United Kingdom, so supplying a "specification certificate to allow use in Europe" just doesn't make sense.

2. Using a trailer which requires type approval but doesn't have it would be illegal even if it was technically compliant in a similar way to using a car without a MOT would be illegal even if the car was upto the standard of the MOT test.

3. You could risk having the trailer impounded. Although I have not heard of this happening in the UK yet, I know a case of it happening in Spain.

4. If a trailer is illegal, then any insurance cover on it and the goods it is carrying (ie your boat) would be invalid.
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Does type approval only apply to trailers manufactured from a certain date?

What happens in the case of older trailers where the date cannot ascertained?

Do we all have to go out and buy new type approved trailers to stay legal?
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Does type approval only apply to trailers manufactured from a certain date?

What happens in the case of older trailers where the date cannot ascertained?

Do we all have to go out and buy new type approved trailers to stay legal?
Type approval only applies to 'incomplete and complete' trailers since 29th October 2012 and 'completed' trailers since 29th October 2013.

There is a interesting article on the Indespension website - http://www.indespension.co.uk/blog/i...vel-of-ecwvta/
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So to clarify, if I buy a new trailer which is not type approved, in theory it could be impounded, although unlikely. From the Admiral point of view, would the single vehicle type approval get round this?

I'm labouring on this but I really want to be sure.

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So to clarify, if I buy a new trailer which is not type approved, in theory it could be impounded, although unlikely. From the Admiral point of view, would the single vehicle type approval get round this?

I'm labouring on this but I really want to be sure.

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Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA) is effectively the same thing, except that your specific trailer would need to be taken to a DVSA test station to be certified as compliant.
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Dont forget even though an unbraked trailer may have the max 750 kgs stamped on it you can only tow it if it weighs less than half the weight of the tow car .
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The type approval thing was bugging me so I got in touch with the VCA, who administer type approval for VOSA and asked. Their response is below-

"I quite understand the confusion regards this matter, I found one such article dated 2012 which was based on advice given at the time by ourselves and the Department for Transport. Subsequent to that our technical interpretation branch (TSG) have issued this guidance (dated February 2013) regards BOAT TRAILERS, as coming under the category of SPECIAL PURPOSE VEHICLES:

The legislation defines an SPV as one with “specific technical features in order to perform a function which requires special arrangements and/or equipment”. Having decided whether a vehicle is an SPV, then the concessions in the SPV Annex are applied. So an SPV could actually have no technical concessions. The legislation does not say that a vehicle can only be Special Purpose if there is something about its special features that prevent it complying with one or more elements of the legislation.
The question is how to interpret “special purpose” in this context and VCA believes that it should mean “not general purpose”.
Typically this will mean vehicles that are designed for a function and need to be wheeled to facilitate convenient transportation, but can also include trailers which are specifically designed to carry one type of load only.
Flat-bed trailers that have attachments for such equipment to be attached but can also carry general loads do not meet these criteria.

TRAILERS - CLASSIFICATION AS SPVs - Y/N
• Boat trailer - Y

In terms of Type Approval, our own website( Trailer Certification ) gives a table which indicates that trailers in the SPECIAL VEHICLE CATEGORY that are NEW TYPES (i.e. a new model not previously manufactured) MUST comply with Type Approval and this came into effect on 29th October 2012, the delayed element that you refer to, relates to trailer types that existed BEFORE 29 October 2012, these must comply with Type Approval on and after 29th October 2014. So the decider here is when was the type first manufactured, if on or after 29th October 2012, it should already have Type Approval, if BEFORE 29th October 2012 then the type does NOT need to comply until 29th October 2014."

The last statement makes it clear in my mind that an existing trailer design still be legally sold and used, up to the end of October this year. From then on, all trailers will need to be approved.

My next question is with regard to swing beam or keel roller. I've currently got keel rollers and bunks, which have trashed the hull so will be going rollers. Swing beams however typically don't have keel rollers and I'n concerned regarding damaging my keel on launch and recovery, on the cross members, as my local slip is rather steep. Has anybody had this problem or am I being paranoid?

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