Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
 
Old 16 July 2014, 19:49   #1
Member
 
tonto's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Zummerset
Boat name: irven arlyss
Make: Humber Oceanpro
Length: 6m +
Engine: evinrude 135hp
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 394
(Un)lucky Day!

Overnight I pulled the RIB from Somerset, through Glasgow, and to Campbeltown, stopped twice on the way for fuel etc, checked wheels and hubs each time, no real heat etc, all seemed fine. Last stop was just after Glasgow.

We finally got to our destination, and as we went through the gate to the causeway to the Island, one of the wheels of the trailer fell off!

It was very hot, sizzling noisily in the wet grass, so I guess the bearing had failed!

As we did not have too long to get across, we crawled over on 3 wheels!
Click image for larger version

Name:	ImageUploadedByRIB Net1405539911.200205.jpg
Views:	311
Size:	49.5 KB
ID:	96832Click image for larger version

Name:	ImageUploadedByRIB Net1405539934.178125.jpg
Views:	338
Size:	52.8 KB
ID:	96833

Of course I had no spare hub, so will order 2 complete hubs!

Luckily we are here for at least 3 weeks, so we will launch as is, put the boat on the mooring and fix it.
Also pointed out was as though it was unlucky to have failed, at least it did so only a mile from the destination, and all off road.

Note to oneself, Always carry a spare hub!
__________________
tonto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16 July 2014, 20:01   #2
Member
 
beerbelly's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: teesside
Boat name: magic
Make: humber 5.5
Length: 5m +
Engine: mariner 115
MMSI: 232012453
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,497
I think you were lucky very lucky get the lotto done while your on a roll
__________________
beerbelly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17 July 2014, 00:54   #3
Member
 
Country: Other
Town: Caribbean
Boat name: Rib
Make: Avon
Length: under 3m
Engine: 2.5 Tahatsu outboard
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 106
Why not replace all four (4) hubs?
__________________
Doug_G is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17 July 2014, 04:15   #4
Member
 
Country: USA
Town: Oakland CA
Length: 3m +
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 6,653
I had a brake shoe fail (most likely due to rust), and the entire bearing, after smoking a lot, burst into flame. A fire extinguisher and lot of water bottles later, it was towed to a place that replaced everything on the left side, and shoes on the right.

Not exactly an ideal trip.

Glad you made it with as little problem as you did.

jky
__________________
jyasaki is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17 July 2014, 07:04   #5
RIBnet admin team
 
Poly's Avatar
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Boat name: imposter
Make: FunYak
Length: 3m +
Engine: Tohatsu 30HP
MMSI: 235089819
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 11,622
I think you were lucky. Did you tow it across the causeway to Davaar?
__________________
Poly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17 July 2014, 08:12   #6
Member
 
Trimix's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Boat name: Hysucat
Make: Hysucat
Length: 8m +
Engine: Twin Suzuki 175's
MMSI: 235102645
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 861
RIBase
Whoa !

*makes mental note to remove trailer wheels, inspect and book service*
__________________
Trimix is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17 July 2014, 08:36   #7
Member
 
Trailer Guy's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Hampshire
Boat name: Altea 2
Make: Narwhal
Length: 5m +
Engine: 90 Mariner
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 855
Check your shoes and cables too.

The most common reason for the brakes cooking, ergo dispersing any grease and making the bearing fail, is due to the brakes seizing / dragging. And the most common reason for that is seized cables.

Check that the shoes are ok too, and not delaminating, as the linings are only glued on nowadays and often the heat cooks the glue off.

If you've still got the drum then you shouldn't need a new one. Just clean up the inside face and fit new bearings and you should be fine.
Trailer Guy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17 July 2014, 14:35   #8
Member
 
tonto's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Zummerset
Boat name: irven arlyss
Make: Humber Oceanpro
Length: 6m +
Engine: evinrude 135hp
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 394
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug_G View Post
Why not replace all four (4) hubs?

The aft axle was added last year for just such an incident, bought it brand new, so I am happy with them. I will probably renew both, and keep the old hub/bearings as an emergency spare.

Poly, yes I did, we are staying here for a while, lovely place, we have a mooring, and jetty to use here, although the jetty is only a couple of hours either side of HW
__________________
tonto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17 July 2014, 14:42   #9
Member
 
tonto's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Zummerset
Boat name: irven arlyss
Make: Humber Oceanpro
Length: 6m +
Engine: evinrude 135hp
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 394
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trailer Guy View Post
Check your shoes and cables too.

The most common reason for the brakes cooking, ergo dispersing any grease and making the bearing fail, is due to the brakes seizing / dragging. And the most common reason for that is seized cables.

Check that the shoes are ok too, and not delaminating, as the linings are only glued on nowadays and often the heat cooks the glue off.

If you've still got the drum then you shouldn't need a new one. Just clean up the inside face and fit new bearings and you should be fine.

Thanks for the advice, will do once I get the boat on the mooring.

I didnt think I can change the bearings, the axle is by peak, and when I ordered the axle last year I had asked for a spare set of bearings, and they told me that they were not replaceable.
__________________
tonto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17 July 2014, 19:13   #10
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Leicester
Length: 5m +
Engine: 135hp Mercury
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,409
Sounds like an excellent reason not to buy stuff by Peak!
Are they saying you need to buy a complete hub/brake drum assembly?
I'd have a look at the bearings to see what numbers are on them, then see if a decent bearing supplier can sort you out.

Its one of the plus sides of twin axle trailers. Many years ago we bought a brand new caravan. On its inaugural run we were heading south on the M1. I noticed that a number of people were passing us & pointing downwards. A quick stop on the hard shoulder revealed a completely shredded tyre. I had no idea when it happened as there was no change in the caravan. Pulled off at the next off slip & changed the wheel.
__________________
paintman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17 July 2014, 20:09   #11
Member
 
Trailer Guy's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Hampshire
Boat name: Altea 2
Make: Narwhal
Length: 5m +
Engine: 90 Mariner
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 855
Quote:
Originally Posted by tonto
they told me that they were not replaceable.
I've yet to find a set I couldn't change and I've been doing this twenty years now... think someone may be telling porkies tbh.

Although it's the front one that's failed, not the rear... Or did you ask for an exact copy for the second axle?
Trailer Guy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17 July 2014, 21:49   #12
Member
 
tonto's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Zummerset
Boat name: irven arlyss
Make: Humber Oceanpro
Length: 6m +
Engine: evinrude 135hp
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 394
I did ask for an exact copy. The original had a serial number on it, and when I made contact, they were able to match it from their records.
__________________
tonto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17 July 2014, 23:02   #13
Member
 
Trailer Guy's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Hampshire
Boat name: Altea 2
Make: Narwhal
Length: 5m +
Engine: 90 Mariner
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 855
Hmmm. Post a couple of pics up if the drum and any bearing numbers you can glean and I'm sure I can point you in the right direction.

Unless you're still looking to replace and keep a couple of spares, in which case I'll shut up!
Trailer Guy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18 July 2014, 17:17   #14
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: NW& wherever the boat is!
Boat name: depends on m'mood!
Make: Humbers/15-24m cats
Length: 6m +
Engine: etec130/big volvos
MMSI: many and various
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,816
that's a long old tow, glad it did the honourable thing and waited for a quiet place to fall apart
__________________
Dave M
www.wavelengthtraining.co.uk
wavelength is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18 July 2014, 18:07   #15
Member
 
tonto's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Zummerset
Boat name: irven arlyss
Make: Humber Oceanpro
Length: 6m +
Engine: evinrude 135hp
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 394
Here are some more pics. There is nothing left of the bearing at all, and the hub looks like I would need a local workshop to remove the bearing.
I also would replace the brake shoes.
I will launch tomorrow, so can take the other wheel apart after that to see if I can see what type of bearings are there.
Click image for larger version

Name:	ImageUploadedByRIB Net1405706781.975366.jpg
Views:	242
Size:	40.4 KB
ID:	96867Click image for larger version

Name:	ImageUploadedByRIB Net1405706798.977533.jpg
Views:	251
Size:	36.8 KB
ID:	96868Click image for larger version

Name:	ImageUploadedByRIB Net1405706817.322763.jpg
Views:	245
Size:	44.1 KB
ID:	96869
__________________
tonto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18 July 2014, 18:17   #16
Member
 
A1an's Avatar
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Fort William
Make: Ribcraft 585
Length: 5m +
Engine: Yamaha F115
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 2,896
RIBase
It looks as dry as a wooden God.

Get some heat on to that race it might pull off.
__________________
There is a place on this planet for all of Gods creatures.........right next to my tatties and gravy.
A1an is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18 July 2014, 18:20   #17
Member
 
tonto's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Zummerset
Boat name: irven arlyss
Make: Humber Oceanpro
Length: 6m +
Engine: evinrude 135hp
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 394
All the grease probably burnt off with the heat!
You can see how hot it got by the Colour on the wheel.
I think I will need a new rim as well
__________________
tonto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18 July 2014, 18:26   #18
Member
 
tonto's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Zummerset
Boat name: irven arlyss
Make: Humber Oceanpro
Length: 6m +
Engine: evinrude 135hp
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 394
Quote:
Originally Posted by wavelength View Post
that's a long old tow, glad it did the honourable thing and waited for a quiet place to fall apart

530 miles according to google maps!
__________________
tonto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18 July 2014, 21:13   #19
Member
 
Trailer Guy's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Hampshire
Boat name: Altea 2
Make: Narwhal
Length: 5m +
Engine: 90 Mariner
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 855
Those inner races will come off. May need a bit of a thump with a cold chisel.

If not, a bearing puller will do it. Or, worst case, cut in to them with a grinder (take care with the stub axle) and then split them in half.

Brakes look like Knott 200x50. Should be around £50 for an axle set (2 pairs of shoes and two sets of springs).
Trailer Guy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19 July 2014, 00:20   #20
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Leicester
Length: 5m +
Engine: 135hp Mercury
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,409
Lots of pics on Trailer Teks website:
Trailer Parts and Spares TrailerTek
__________________
paintman is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




All times are GMT. The time now is 23:55.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.