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Old 08 August 2004, 14:14   #11
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A bit of a problem here ...


I estimate that the boat + fuel, gear and a person on board will weigh approx 1.55 Tonnes.

Does anyone know the weight of the trailers themselves?
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Have you tried talking to the trailer manufacturers?
Thr trailer should have a plate giving laden and unladen weights.
My 2 wheeler for a 6.5m is 630kg unladen, 1600kg laden.

If you have not got a plate, try finding a local weigh bridge. There are some public ones around or try a local quarry, where the price of a beer will get you weighed.
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Old 09 August 2004, 02:03   #12
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Not sure if I should mention this but ...

As the car budget kept getting bigger (and the boat budget correspondingly smaller) we thought that it would be a good idea to have a look at the VW Touareg 4x4.

We were blown away!

This is a luxury vehicle in all senses of the word, yet it can tow 3.5 tonnes AND has a low ratio gear facility, along with all of the 4x4 clever bits that are available on the Jeep and other "real" 4x4s.

I don't think that the Jeep salesman is going to be very pleased

I shall test drive it next Saturday and I fully expect to buy (order) it there and then.

There is no comparison (quality-wise) between this and any of the others that I have looked at. IMHO, it is streets ahead of the BMW X5, Volvo XC90, Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland and of course, the (current) Discovery.

Quite a surprise really, as I always thought that VWs were pretty basic and I really only looked at the Touareg so that I could "eliminate" it. How wrong I was!

Thank you for all your help and guidance on this and other threads w.r.t. selecting a launch vehicle for my boat.

Regards,

Chris.
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Old 09 August 2004, 02:43   #13
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This is a luxury vehicle in all senses of the word, yet it can tow 3.5 tonnes AND has a low ratio gear facility, along with all of the 4x4 clever bits that are available on the Jeep and other "real" 4x4s.

Quite a surprise really, as I always thought that VWs were pretty basic and I really only looked at the Touareg so that I could "eliminate" it. How wrong I was!
Chris,

It may make you feel even better to know that the Touareg is really a Porsche with a VW badge on it !! Under the skin the Touareg is the same platform as the Porsche Cayenne - it was designed and engineered by Porsche.

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Old 09 August 2004, 16:33   #14
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Cheers Andy!

They seem to have forgotton to put the Porsche engine in it though!

Still, at least I shall be one step nearer to getting my boat, now that I have (almost) ordered the car that I need to launch it.

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Old 16 August 2004, 17:55   #15
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Chris,
I suspect that you may have underestimated the weights just a little. However, Graham is constantly refinind the design and the weight of the lay-up so things can vary! Last I heard, he had become alarmed at the extra weight of new craft and was on a crusade to reduce weight.

Here's the weight data for "Blue Ice" (the trailer is actually too big for us and more suited for an 8.5!)

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Boat: 950 kg
Yamaha: 220
Trailer: 680
Merc 5: 30
Fuel: 275
Baggage: 25
Total: 2180Kg

So scale up the boat weight a bit, and a bit more for your bigger engine (Verado?)

Touareg looks like a good choice... (my old bus can tow as much as the Ovlov XC90!) I'll email you a photo that will make you smile
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wow, im really surprised at these weights, it appears ive been stupidly under estimating the weights ive been calculating for a 8.1m scorpion. I too am looking for a new tow car but dont want a big slow 4x4 and cant afford a cayenne etc as then i wont be able to buy the boat... richard im not questioning your values but are you sure, i thought scorpions were spose to be light with modern materials etc...? and by comparison my trailer for a 1500kg unladen boat is only 500 and something kgs.. damn looks like the tractor idea is back on the drawing board!
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It's a while since weighed mine, but I seem to recall the weight being something over 2 tonnes fully fuelled.

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Chris how the hell can you compare a VW Touraeg to a Discovery or a Jeep - as your budget has shot up why not look at the new Range Rover? Serious offroad ability and serious luxury as well.

I have driven a VW Touareg V10 diesel several times now and yes it is a great car but it is NOT an offroader!

I have quite a few mates with new Range Rovers and they love them - very well put together and comfortable!

The Range Rover is just as much "other league" compared to a Disco as the Touareg but it really does work offroad and is great on it.
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wow, im really surprised at these weights, it appears ive been stupidly under estimating the weights ive been calculating for a 8.1m scorpion. I too am looking for a new tow car but dont want a big slow 4x4 and cant afford a cayenne etc as then i wont be able to buy the boat... richard im not questioning your values but are you sure, i thought scorpions were spose to be light with modern materials etc...? and by comparison my trailer for a 1500kg unladen boat is only 500 and something kgs.. damn looks like the tractor idea is back on the drawing board!
Richard's Blue Ice figures I believe are the ones I passed on and were made by the previous owner on a weighbridge (Richard I think the weighbridge ticket is in the file of info somewhere.) The very heavy duty trailer is probably overkill for that size boat but together it was a very stable rig under tow. I used a Trooper LWB TD and it coped admirably. Bear in mind that Blue Ice was 7.5m hull number 7 and layup may have changed since then as Richard says.

Performance and towing ability don't go hand in hand at this level, other than in the shape of a new Rangie if your budget stretches that far. Phil Davies swears by his to cope with his massive 4m Avon

Other alternative is dry berthing and a sportscar !
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....layup may have changed since then ...
In fact the internal structure has been modified, whilst retaining the same hull shape (the mould from which Blue Ice was made is still in use).
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