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Old 18 December 2015, 12:16   #51
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The following is lifted from a Horsey Forum where the members were having the same debate - it's a (part) reply from VOSA:

"Karen I refer to your mail of 20 June to VOSA Enquiries on the above subject which has been passed to me to answer....... There is no technical problem with the gross vehicle weight of the trailer exceeding a car's towing capability providing its actual weight does not exceed the towing capability, or if the car also has a stated train weight on its manufacturers plate and the weight of the car, trailer and load does not exceed that train weight . It is entirely normal for vehicles to tow trailers which have a GVW exceeding the towing or GTW capability. Most HGV artic combinations are like this."
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Old 18 December 2015, 12:45   #52
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the letter blurred on my pc have you a link to it or a better copy.
That's the only version that I can find, sorry.
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I wouldn't trust that letter so far as I can throw it.
I certainly wouldn't suggest that anyone relies on it to keep them out of trouble. It's interesting though.
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Old 18 December 2015, 12:50   #53
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John,

It is indeed something and offers some comfort.

I find it incredible that not one of us here, who are all towing on regular basis, can't find official information pertaining to this. It would suggest that clarification is required on the official sites.
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Old 18 December 2015, 13:11   #54
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I find it incredible that not one of us here, who are all towing on regular basis, can't find official information pertaining to this. It would suggest that clarification is required on the official sites.
Or it would suggest its not an actual offence and thus, just like it not being illegal to drive a car whilst wearing socks that don't match is not something that is written down. I am aware that there is a differing view, but until that is backed up by pointing to the legislation / regulation which is being breached then it would seem it's more likely to be confusion with driving license offences or overloading. The letter JK posted, the quote Willk has provided along with the absence of any official site suggesting it is an offence would all point to it not being an offence.
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The following is lifted from a Horsey Forum where the members were having the same debate - it's a (part) reply from VOSA:

"Karen I refer to your mail of 20 June to VOSA Enquiries on the above subject which has been passed to me to answer....... There is no technical problem with the gross vehicle weight of the trailer exceeding a car's towing capability providing its actual weight does not exceed the towing capability, or if the car also has a stated train weight on its manufacturers plate and the weight of the car, trailer and load does not exceed that train weight . It is entirely normal for vehicles to tow trailers which have a GVW exceeding the towing or GTW capability. Most HGV artic combinations are like this."

Which is what the Cop said
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So 55 posts later we've come full circle and we're fine
Phew!!!
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Trailer law

Thanks for all the input guys. Useful stuff.
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One of the prosecutions was a farmer using his Defender to tow an empty farm trailer. Unladen it weighed close to 3000kg but had a MAM of 10000kg. The prosecution resulted in a fine and points.
Surely the main issue here is that the trailer wouldn't have had legal/functioning brakes (overrun up to 3500kg on all axles, air over 3500. Nothing/something else on farm trailers?) Was that the basis for the prosecution or the fact that the max weight was over that specified by Landrover?
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I received a reply from the ebay guy I bought a replacement data plate from a while ago . He can replicate any vin plate you need and he was cheap as chips
Strangely ebay has stopped him selling the vin plates on ebay.
Whilst there are many legitimate needs for replacement plates I guess there are many illegal ones too!
His website address if anyone needs to replace a missing or damaged plate is
http://www.vin-plate.co.uk/
Might be helpful for someone
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