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Old 09 November 2015, 15:33   #31
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I'm all for a test, but I'd assumed it was like the driving test, as long as you passed the test, it was irrelevant how you acquired the skills.
If you can borrow or hire a suitable trailer it has to be a closed box type with particular size restriction. It has to have a verifiable load (easy enough if you have access to an IBC you can put water in). The sort of trailer needed should cost no more than about 50 for a full day. I don't think it needs to be 4-wheel, nor does having an extra rear view mirror for the examiner since he will not see anything in it! There are certainly cheaper options than Dubrus used, but convenience etc, all factor into it.

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I must admit, the chance of passing it without the basic course would be close to nil. There are a few things that they pick up on on general driving that would cause a fail. I.E mirrors every 10 seconds, the steering wheel shuffle etc. There is also a very strict way to unhitch and rehitch or instant fail is a coming!
Therein lies the issue - but you can't really criticise the instructors for not just providing you a vehicle, when actually you needed some specific training.
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Old 09 November 2015, 15:41   #32
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I doubt your trailer will be as light as that! My single axle weighs more in the region for 400kgs! My rig comes in around 1300kgs when I put it on a calibrated weighbridge - that's a light 90hp 2 stroke and 5.8mtr rib. 1/2 tank of fuel and no scuba gear...

Having a hand brake is a big advantage at times and brakes take a lot of strain off your car.
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A typical 750kg GVW trailer will weigh around 170 kg, so you only have 580kg of capacity.

I used to have a Humber 5.3m with Honda 90hp. Adding up all the bits on paper came to bang on 750kg, but when I took it to a weighbridge the total was nearly 900kg!
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Old 10 November 2015, 01:38   #34
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Trailer 100
Hull 250

=703kg total (before electrics)
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Can you provide me a link to trailer ?
Brenderup BASIC 750 is more than 200 kg so I wonder who can make trailer weight 100 kg ???

The same for boat. Are you sure about it weight ?

Mine HIGHFIELD OM540 is stated 400 kg but real weight with console seats was near 550 - 600 kg.

When I calculate like you total (with trailer was) 900 kg
Real weight checked (boat on trailer) was 1150.
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Not adopted in GB – The Directive adds an option for drivers who want to tow a trailer over 750kg where the combined weight of the vehicle and trailer is over 3,500kg (up to a maximum of 4,250kg), but who don’t want to take a B+E test.
Member states can allow these customers to apply for the additional entitlement against their category B, and show it as a new Community code 96 on the licence. The driver would still have to pass a driving test or training programme, but not one that would give them B+E entitlement. GB has not taken up this proposal, but must recognise this code as valid entitlement to tow those trailers because some EU member states may have licenses issued with this category
Does it mean that in UK you still do not have B96 driving licence ?
It allows me to tow trailer having GVW till 1700 kg with my car having GVW 2550 kg (total less than 4250). In some EU countries you need only to have a few hrs of training to obtain it.
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Mat in the UK the rules are a bit of a mess. But basically you need a B + E licence (B is a car and E is a trailer). However there are a variety of exemptions:

Firstly anyone who got a licence before 1997 got B + E when they sat the B licence!

Anyone since then till about a year ago can drive a B (max 3500kg) + 750kg unbraked [i.e. total 4250kg] or a B + braked to a total combined of 3500kg. The most recent licence says you can't go over the 3500kg at all I think, so as Luke says he can buy a 3.5T Landrover and can't tow anything with it.

You can do a B+E Test to 'upgrade' which costs 120 test fee. But as the test has some "procedures" for you to follow chances are you need a few hours of lessons to pass and if you either have bad driving habits or have never reversed a trailer you may need a few more hours...

The reason its an issue is because of the pre 1997 people... ...otherwise everyone would think it perfectly normal. (Wish I'd resat my test in 1995 when I failed - would make life much simpler!)
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I have tried to avoid an training or tests.
On the end I bought 3 hrs with instructor who teach me a lot.
Next to I failed for first test (forgot about turn signal when park back on maneuvers place). I have passed second time.

With these 3 hrs of training and tests I had more confidence on my to Greece.
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If you can borrow or hire a suitable trailer it has to be a closed box type with particular size restriction. It has to have a verifiable load (easy enough if you have access to an IBC you can put water in). The sort of trailer needed should cost no more than about 50 for a full day. I don't think it needs to be 4-wheel, nor does having an extra rear view mirror for the examiner since he will not see anything in it! There are certainly cheaper options than Dubrus used, but convenience etc, all factor into it.


Therein lies the issue - but you can't really criticise the instructors for not just providing you a vehicle, when actually you needed some specific training.
I actually had 2 pre-tests they make you sit as I tried a different examiner before. His car was stinking of smoke so i never went with them. However, both told me I was good already and could hire a trailer, extra mirrors etc if I wanted. One wouldn't give me their rig without minimum of a full day booking and was a waste of money in my case, their words. The other one was 4 hours and also not needed, their words. So it is a bit of a con IMO as there is no need to have a minimum other than profiteering. It is their stuff though so you can walk away if unhappy, unlikely it will happen and they use that to their advantage. In my case they could have charged me 1 hour for the initial lesson and 1 hour for the test time if they wanted.......

I said examiners need extra mirrors, not inside ones though

Caveat: It was one of the examiners who told me you need a 4 wheel trailer, mirrors etc. I have never confirmed it though.
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Ok, I'll admit I stopped reading the thread at about the 4th post, and fair enough if it's all legal.



However, legal discussions aside, if you are legal now, fair enough no problem.... but are you future proof? I also could have strictly legally gone unbraked, but decided 50 KG was sufficiently close that I might as well go braked. And just as well I did.

Traded in my big 6 speed diesel-ed Focus Estate to slightly smaller diesel-ed 5 speed Mondeo. Bigger car - you'd think the unbraked would still be 750Kg? - Nope, it dropped to 743 or something like that.

Also when we go on holiday I'll easily put 100Kg of "extras" like camping gear in the boat......


Your dive club - how far do they normally tow between launches? I have brakes and do a good 40 miles minimum after flushing the hubs. NEVER had a problem with the brakes. The killer is going swimming and not getting any brake action to dry everything out......
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However, legal discussions aside, if you are legal now, fair enough no problem.... but are you future proof?


Your dive club - how far do they normally tow between launches? I have brakes and do a good 40 miles minimum after flushing the hubs. NEVER had a problem with the brakes. The killer is going swimming and not getting any brake action to dry everything out......
I am now as I've gone brakes, the thought of leaving dive kit or as you say changing cars wasn't worth the extra cost.

That could be part of the issue, we rarely run more than 20 miles and she can be left for a few weeks between uses, after sitting on a beach all day flooding launch.
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