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Old 08 November 2015, 15:01   #21
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And a b+e license...to add that into the mix
I'm presuming your response is to this part of my post:
"The law says you cannot tow an unbraked trailer that weighs more than 750kgs. Above 750kg it must have brakes."

A common but mistaken belief that you automatically need B+E to tow a trailer which exceeds 750kg. (If that WAS the case I suspect caravan sales would fall through the floor, they are after all just a trailer.)
You might want to have a look through the topics to do with vehicle weights & driving licences which are the stickies at the head of this forum.
Don't forget to check what the vehicle manufacturer gives as the maximum towing weights for your make & model.

ETA. Link to gov.uk which gives you the info & also appears to have a link to enter your licence details to check your entitlement: https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-car
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Old 08 November 2015, 18:18   #22
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I'm presuming your response is to this part of my post:
"The law says you cannot tow an unbraked trailer that weighs more than 750kgs. Above 750kg it must have brakes."

A common but mistaken belief that you automatically need B+E to tow a trailer which exceeds 750kg. (If that WAS the case I suspect caravan sales would fall through the floor, they are after all just a trailer.)
You might want to have a look through the topics to do with vehicle weights & driving licences which are the stickies at the head of this forum.
Don't forget to check what the vehicle manufacturer gives as the maximum towing weights for your make & model.

ETA. Link to gov.uk which gives you the info & also appears to have a link to enter your licence details to check your entitlement: https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-car

I spoke to the dvla and they said you can tow a combined weight of upto 3.5t or 750kg without a licence.

So if I owned a Land Rover with a 3.5t towing weight legally I'm not allowed to even tow a little garden trailer!! (Checked this with them)

All abit of a mine feild really.

Not to distract from the OP though!
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Old 08 November 2015, 18:55   #23
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You have misunderstood or - more likely - they have poorly explained it.
I believe on the information you give that your licence is post 1997 but pre 2013 so your entitlement is you may:
  • drive a vehicle up to 3,500kg MAM towing a trailer of up to 750kg MAM
  • tow a trailer over 750kg MAM as long as the combined MAM of the trailer and towing vehicle is no more than 3,500kg
MAM is also known as Gross Vehicle Weight.

Funny you should choose a Land Rover as your example. In the case of my RRC (1986 3.5EFi automatic) Land Rover give its GVW/MAM as 2510kg.

With my car you can tow a trailer OVER 750kg (which must be braked) up to a MAM of 990kgs (2510kg + 990kg = 3500kg).

If you have a vehicle with a MAM of 3500kg you can tow a trailer with a MAM of up to 750kg as the legislation permits you a combined MAM of 4250kg.

The 3500kg is Land Rovers figure for the maximum weight of trailer so even on my licence I can't legally exceed that weight with an overrun braked trailer. (LR give a higher weight for coupled brakes)

Confusing isn't it!
Personally I never saw the point in the messing about with the legislation. If there is believed to be an issue then from a set date legislation should require that anyone who wants to tow should pass additional training.

Apologies to the OP for the hijack!
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Old 09 November 2015, 02:34   #24
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B+E sucks.......had to sit mine a few months ago. Was just about 600 quid all in for a 4 hour course. In my neck of the woods that is the minimum I could find. Some demanded a 3 day course
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B+E sucks.......had to sit mine a few months ago. Was just about 600 quid all in for a 4 hour course. In my neck of the woods that is the minimum I could find. Some demanded a 3 day course
Being an old git & not having had to go through the rigmarole, do you actually have to attend a course, or is it a case of as long as you pass the test you get the ticket? To be fair, some of the "old timers" I see trying to reverse trailers shouldn't be let loose. I'm all for a test, but I'd assumed it was like the driving test, as long as you passed the test, it was irrelevant how you acquired the skills.
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If you have a small box trailer ( I think it needs to be 4 wheel), extra mirrors for the instructor and load it up with slabs to a certain weight, you could use that and only pay about 120 quid for the test itself.

No one would give me only 1 hour as it wasn't worth their time. Hence I had to pay 460 quid for 4 hours. 3 with them and 1 with the test centre and pay for the actual test.

I must admit, the chance of passing it without the basic course would be close to nil. There are a few things that they pick up on on general driving that would cause a fail. I.E mirrors every 10 seconds, the steering wheel shuffle etc. There is also a very strict way to unhitch and rehitch or instant fail is a coming!
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A 5.5m RIB on a trailer will be very close to 750kg, if not over.

My 54. Searider, 90hp mariner 2 stroke, 100 litres of fuel, double jockey console, A frame, battery and anchor was only a few kilos under.

When you get it take it to a local weighbridge - should only cost 10 or so to weigh it.
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When you get it take it to a local weighbridge - should only cost 10 or so to weigh it.[/QUOTE]

Trouble is.... by then presumably he'll already have bought the boat and trailer.
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Trouble is.... by then presumably he'll already have bought the boat and trailer.
I which case he could weigh it before he buys it.
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Thanks all, carrying out a weight check before leaving the area I'm traveling to for collection could be difficult.

With the weights being so close we've gone for the braked. I'd hate to leave a set of dive gear on board only to find I'm over, as that'll be the day Mrs Moggins hits the side.....
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