Prop overhang from trailer board

Revenger715 · 01 April 2016, 17:26

Hi all,

What is the law on this - I have a trailer board hung out the back of the trailer on the extending bars but it stops before the prop so that the prop is then overhanging the trailer board by about a foot. I have it covered in an orange prop bag.

Would this comply with any/all relevant regulations?

Cheers

715

mick · 01 April 2016, 18:04

Reckon so but we have some proper light board police on here 🙄

jeffstevens763@g · 01 April 2016, 18:36

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Originally Posted by Revenger715

Hi all,

What is the law on this - I have a trailer board hung out the back of the trailer on the extending bars but it stops before the prop so that the prop is then overhanging the trailer board by about a foot. I have it covered in an orange prop bag.

Would this comply with any/all relevant regulations?

Cheers

715

Yep spot on even better if you have a warning triangle on the prop bag I think but stand corrected your allowed at least 1m from the trailer without looking

Poly · 01 April 2016, 18:51

Does the overhang obscure the number plate at all?

69cmw · 01 April 2016, 19:49

I've been towing 1 of my boats like that for 18 years, never had any bother. And I will continue until PC Plod tells me otherwise !!

boristhebold · 02 April 2016, 06:51

Mine also hung over the light board, had the engine tilted up so that light board not obscured and also had orange prop bag on and no problems experienced. I don't think you will have any issues as long as orange bag in place, doesn't obstruct licence plate and light board working.

I see may boats on trailers with no licence plate or wrong license plate to car towing and never seem to see them pulled over by PC Plod.

ShinyShoe · 02 April 2016, 15:02

[QUOTE=boristhebold;711151]Mine also hung over the light board, had the engine tilted up so that light board not obscured and also had orange prop bag on and no problems experienced. I don't think you will have any issues as long as orange bag in place, doesn't obstruct licence plate and light board working.

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I see may boats on trailers with no licence plate or wrong license plate to car towing and never seem to see them pulled over by PC Plod.

I see plenty on mobile phones, speeding, etc. I gather 1:10 might not be insured. Number plates not conforming with the rules. All of the above do get caught sometimes. I imagine illegal tow setups do too. Driving like a kn*b will get you in their attention and increase the risk of being pulled... They think they saw you on your phone, you overtook someone and they think you were speeding but know it won't hold up in court...

Or you upset their ANPR camera...

But there are some cops who do have an issue with the detail. And if you'd rather they didn't pull you for a chat you'd be better being seen to be 110% legal than 'no worse' than the others...

1m overhang from the trailer us permitted. Boats have special rules, so I think it's 1m overhang from the boat. If over 1m there are specific rules on marking, otherwise I think it says something like adequately marked. The standard seems to be orange bag or bucket. A high vis vest is also common...

You mustn't obscure the number plate or lights... There are rules where the plate can be read from...

Poly · 02 April 2016, 19:21

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Boats have special rules, so I think it's 1m overhang from the boat.

What makes you think that?

jeffstevens763@g · 03 April 2016, 16:08

Between 1-2 m overhang should be clearly marked by cloth etc NTF site

ShinyShoe · 03 April 2016, 16:45

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Boats have special rules

What makes you think that?

Erm C&U Reg 82(7). However, the exemptions for overhangs appear to only apply specifically to boats intended only for rowing race boats.

So as I understand it...

You can overhang the trailer by up 1m with no additional warnings
By up to 2m with markers
By more than that with a major headache.

The age old issue being that technically the lighting board should be on the trailer not the boat... Modern Type Approved Boat Trailers seem to address this using a metal frame projecting back which the board attaches to. So that frame is part of the trailer and you can legally have projections a further 1 metre back from that...

If you are attaching your trailer board to your boat (as plenty of people do) you are technically breaking the C&U, but in doing so are probably making a lot of sense if you don't have a frame to attach to.

jeffstevens763@g · 03 April 2016, 18:36

NTTA - Trailer Law - Trailer Maximum Dimension This might help

69cmw · 03 April 2016, 18:42

The trailer police piping up yet again ... 😴😴

mick · 03 April 2016, 18:45

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The trailer police piping up yet again ... 😴😴

He He what they like 😉🙄🙄

Maximus · 04 April 2016, 13:49

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Originally Posted by 69cmw

The trailer police piping up yet again ... 😴😴

....23rd of June!!

9D280 · 05 April 2016, 13:22

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Originally Posted by ShinyShoe

The age old issue being that technically the lighting board should be on the trailer not the boat... Modern Type Approved Boat Trailers seem to address this using a metal frame projecting back which the board attaches to. So that frame is part of the trailer and you can legally have projections a further 1 metre back from that...

On a conventional trailer that may be the case, but have a look at any sailing dinghy trailer-every single one of them the board is hanging off the transom of the boat - by design

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If you are attaching your trailer board to your boat (as plenty of people do) you are technically breaking the C&U, but in doing so are probably making a lot of sense if you don't have a frame to attach to.

The main difference between boats and "normal" trailers, is, as I understand it, that wityh a boat on a trailer the hull is considered an integral part of the trailer rather than as the load.

There are some very minor variations in the lighting rules, (e.g. the orange side markers) but the lamp placement relative to the max width of the rolling assy and height off the ground on a conventional RIB on a trailer means the only sensible place to mount said lights on the boat puts them way too high off the road to be legal, hence the bars to hold the board at a legal position (read: height off the road).

There is also the getting the rib off & on the trailer which means making them retract behind the last roller is a useful hull preservation feature too!

lakelandterrier · 07 April 2016, 22:05

It's not just trailers.

I have a friend who rows with a solo scull - she roof-racks it on top of her small hatch......well in excess of 1m overhang both front and rear. Probably not legal form of transporting it

Even with a larger car the overhang would be be 1m+ each end and not legal to roof-rack?

Poly · 07 April 2016, 23:02

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It's not just trailers.

I have a friend who rows with a solo scull - she roof-racks it on top of her small hatch......well in excess of 1m overhang both front and rear. Probably not legal form of transporting it

Even with a larger car the overhang would be be 1m+ each end and not legal to roof-rack?

No I think that IS the exception that shiney was wrongly thinking applied to boat trailers.

steco1958 · 08 April 2016, 08:28

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Originally Posted by Revenger715

Hi all,

What is the law on this - I have a trailer board hung out the back of the trailer on the extending bars but it stops before the prop so that the prop is then overhanging the trailer board by about a foot. I have it covered in an orange prop bag.

Would this comply with any/all relevant regulations?

Cheers

715

Had 3 boats on trailers, all have been like that, never had an issue, however I don't say that it is legal.

lakelandterrier · 08 April 2016, 20:42

This is it
https://www.gov.uk/.../file/.../A_br...ging_loads.pdf

My rowing friend has a bit of a problem legally!

ShinyShoe · 08 April 2016, 20:54

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My rowing friend has a bit of a problem legally!

But there are specific exemptions for rowing boats overhanging that let you stretch that. So depending on the length of the rowing boat he may not have an issue or may just need markers...