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Old 13 September 2015, 12:15   #121
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more or less. LEDs are far more robust & reliable than filament bulbs, so failures should be much less of an issue, that's the point in going "LED" in the first place. Until car manufacturers pull their fingers out & sort out the car side electrickery, we'll still have to resort to frigging & bodging. Ironically, it's the higher end marques that seem to have the biggest issues with LEDs.
So not wanting to sound an old fart it's not legal as a repeater warning buzzer/light should be on the dash to warn of failure.(insurance would be an issue for me with my luck)
Looked on a caravan forum same thing there apart from there is LEDs that are comparable with the cam bus problem not sure if that's correct but your right seems to be the vehicles with all the electronics.my shogan blew two brake light bulbs simultaneously back to the garage to reset it and remove a thousand warning lights off the dash
as for me I am bining the LEDs going back to the old board never had much problem with them anyway I carry a full light cluster and swap out takes only 5 mins if I get problems.
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The warning light to show the indicators are working does flash on the dash on my disco with the setup I've put together.
It amuses me every time as the symbol that flashes is a small Sankey like trailer.

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The warning light does work, Jeffs point (quite correct btw) is if the Led fails, the dash light will still flash because the electronics are seeing the resistor, not the led. So technically it could be construed as being illegal, as the dash light will be telling you that the bulb is good , when in fact it ain't. Like I said, the car manufacturers need to get their act together, it's only going to get worse.


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Just done a bit more digging indispention offer a box for 19 so sent a mail saying light board don't work do I need something else to see if they come back with the legal fix?
I will also ring tomorrow and post what they say
You guys have it sorted to suit you but it should be a lot easier than having to fit resistors in,the board I bought had no warning that it needed accessories or any explanation of any kind and asking the question in the first place has peeeed me off.


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update indispension don't know basically theirs is a three wire system so as Dave says covers the indicators i suspect only 18.85 part EL533 smart box.
towing and trailers better description 7 wire system 26.53 part ETR02 smart relay.


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Fancy Canbus module = thick end of 300
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Man you need to swap that thing for a Mondeo!

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So if in parallel and the LED blows no warning on the dash as its bridged by the resistor
Now, this is where it gets weird.....
I have a "plate / reversing" light board on the A- frame. (simply down to the geometry of my trailer - no space on the permanent clusters without serious risk of destroying it on launch / garaging. - and It's legal - the Number plate just needs lit - no height restrictions on it ) It carries 2 standard plate illumination fittings with filament lamps - in parallel with the LED Tail lights. Why filament? 'coz I couldn't justify the cost of LEDS up there for something that is unlikely to see much abuse. (2 circuits to keep the L&R independence)

Also carries a high level LED brake light, so no filaments In the brake circuit.... and no disco brake lights either.
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WHIT?

Man you need to swap that thing for a Mondeo!

Westfalia dedicated Can Kit for same - 70.
(there has to be a plus to driving urban camouflage! )
The irony is, the fancy module did bugger all. The issue was resolved, as normal, with 4 quids worth of resistors.
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The irony is, the fancy module did bugger all. The issue was resolved, as normal, with 4 quids worth of resistors.
Which isn't entirely surprising -

The CAN module talks to the car. The CAN dside of it tells the car that there's a trailer connected (so the car's computers can switch off the rear park sensors, adjust the anti skid control / hill decent /etc and put a nice message on your dashboard display saying you have lost a bulb when it happens.....)

How the module can figure out if the trailer is connected or not and / or that a bulb has failed is the issue that your resistors fix.
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Which isn't entirely surprising -



The CAN module talks to the car. The CAN dside of it tells the car that there's a trailer connected (so the car's computers can switch off the rear park sensors, adjust the anti skid control / hill decent /etc and put a nice message on your dashboard display saying you have lost a bulb when it happens.....)



How the module can figure out if the trailer is connected or not and / or that a bulb has failed is the issue that your resistors fix.

Nope. With the module fitted & no resistors, the Disco just didn't recognise the trailer. The parking sensors still worked, you could select off road height without getting the warning message about there being a trailer attached, nada! As sip as I fitted the resistors, everything worked as it should. My previous home made led lightboard just had the resistors & no fancy module & it worked fine.


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Old 15 September 2015, 14:37   #130
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Tech bloke from indispention rang today they don't have any bother with the shogan unless the tow bar fitters use their own repeater relay and not Mitsubishi guess what! Yea so back to old light board.
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