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Old 10 December 2018, 16:18   #1
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LED Lights

When people have made led light boards, how thick is the backing plate they put the lights on?
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12mm industrial chopping boards for mine, wouldn't do it again though if you are talking submersible lights. Led trailerboard is way to go, too much work and money for submersible to be worthwhile imo. It will cost a lot more time and money than you think it will if you really want properly waterproof lights, be warned!

I have quite a few "IP68" lights in my spares box now.

My shopping list and prices were roughly-

New poles- £50
Galv -£35 split between a few of us as a favour
Light cluster- £70
Licence plate lights - £15
Side markers -£25
Curly cable -£35
7 pin cable x 2x 10m - £25
Waterproof junction box and glands - £15
13 pin plug - £5
Glue heatshrink various - £35
Chopping boards - £16
Liquid wrap- £16
Stainless cables/bolts/washers/eyelets etc £20
Led resistors- £10 (your car may not need these)
DIY Heatsinks for them (yes they will melt the plastic box) £10
Probably forgetting a few things and not counting the lights in shed that were pi$h.

At a semi accurate guess probably 30 hours building them not counting letting things seal/drying.

Will not be making another set if they fail....trailerboard with LED is way I'm going.
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Old 10 December 2018, 16:31   #3
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12mm industrial chopping boards for mine, wouldn't do it again though if you are talking submersible lights. Led trailerboard is way to go, too much work and money for submersible to be worthwhile imo. It will cost a lot more than you think it will and time if you really want properly waterproof lights, be warned!

I have quite a few "IP68" lights in my spares box now.


Too late now Xk59D, I’ve already bought the lights IP68 and the junction box ☹️
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Too late now Xk59D, I’ve already bought the lights IP68 and the junction box ☹️
I added more info buddy......good luck with your quest, you have MANY hours with a soldering iron and sealer in front of you.

I can recommend hot glue and then liquid tape everything, takes ages but has to de done.

They are good when finished but if one light goes phut you have a problem. I made mine so I can put the old poles and board on in seconds, I know last Tango just done his trailer few weeks back but he can't go back easily.

Maybe he will post up when he sees this with some more info. His setup below, hope he doesn't mind.

If you need anything specific pm me and I'll let you know what worked for me.
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Old 10 December 2018, 17:28   #5
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I added more info buddy......good luck with your quest, you have MANY hours with a soldering iron and sealer in front of you.



I can recommend hot glue and then liquid tape everything, takes ages but has to de done.



They are good when finished but if one light goes phut you have a problem. I made mine so I can put the old poles and board on in seconds, I know last Tango just done his trailer few weeks back but he can't go back easily.



Maybe he will post up when he sees this with some more info. His setup below, hope he doesn't mind.



If you need anything specific pm me and I'll let you know what worked for me.


Cheers for that, my trailer isn’t as new as yours and never had side marker lights to start with, just a plain tailboard.
Am I correct in thinking I don’t need to retro fit them?
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The law is different depending on the age of your trailer, I don't know exactly what is required for anything older than mine (2016) so I can't comment accurately, but I THINK if it is before 2012 you don't need side markers (Btw when I say side markers above I actually mean the 8" rubber stalks) or reversing lights. Check on the trailer lighting rules as getting the heights etc maybe take some planning.

If you can weld (I have never tried nor own the kit) you can probably use some thin metal as plates, the chopping boards work well though and hot glue sticks to them very well to seal it all up.

One of my pictures above you can see sikaflex white round the main cluster, it literally peeled off the chopping board so it is hot glue now.

Here is one of my completely abandoned mock ups of corex and duct tape for perhaps more ideas.
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I had led on my new trailer had to much bother I now have gone back to basic light board. Easy!!
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https://www.towingandtrailers.com/pr...nd-6m-cable-2/
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Too late now Xk59D, I’ve already bought the lights IP68 and the junction box ☹️
Good just now while it's all working ok...time will tell.

I ended up making my own junction box. Getting all the wires physically into the stock trailer junction box was not going to happen so I made up mine with 5mm studs and soldered eyelets to all the wires. Also 8.2 ohm 50W resistors across the indicator wiring in the junction box and they get hot if the hazards are left on. It's mounted up on the winch post well clear of the water.

The whole job took a long long time and ended up costing about the same as I'd probably have paid for "off the shelf" (had to make number plate lights, both "waterproof" ones I bought weren't.)

How many times did I hear.....have you still not finished that?
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I have just bought connix wireless led taillights
They are magnetic and just stick onto trailer
Literally takes 2 secs to put on and take off
Fully charged last 10 hrs
No wires to worry about
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Old 11 December 2018, 09:52   #11
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I have just bought connix wireless led taillights
They are magnetic and just stick onto trailer
Literally takes 2 secs to put on and take off
Fully charged last 10 hrs
No wires to worry about
That sounds superb ,are you saying you have some sort of wireless tx from your car socket to signal what the battery units are showing

i didnt mess with junction box ,just took two soldered and double heat shrunk 7 cores (1 from each side ) and took them into a massive inline 12 pin trailer connector ,above winch post if that gets in the water were in trouble
then took one cable to rear of car ,you can still run a couple of two cores out the back of cable gland for sides and number plate
there is much smaller dia trailer cable avail which is fine for led,s
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Really good setup
Only thing I found annoying is they don't work with canbus properly yet but they are working on it
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i didnt mess with junction box ,just took two soldered and double heat shrunk 7 cores (1 from each side ) and took them into a massive inline 12 pin trailer connector ,above winch post if that gets in the water were in trouble

Have you got a link to the inline 12 pin trailer connector?
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Have you got a link to the inline 12 pin trailer connector?
I used this-
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B01...Q8CGNCUI&psc=1
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/Maypole-602.../dp/B005UCDDKW
very quick look for you ,but i never had the two 7 pins hanging off it ,however when i went to my current trailer i have just wired the left and right wires straight in to one standard plug (you can get one with a duel gland rubber , my resistors are in two die cast ally boxes tucked into the 80x40 of the trailer going in and out via 16mm glands
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Really good setup
Only thing I found annoying is they don't work with canbus properly yet but they are working on it
well nearly perfect but don,t think there is a 12 pin option !


The other thing to remember is once you have got reversing lights on your trailer its a simple add one of those cheap and cheerful reversing cameras which will just trigger off your reversing light positive
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12 pin has me confused, is it a13 pin you are talking about?

I thought you wanted to join both sides of trailer to a single 13 core wire hence my link above.

Btw those wireless lights are not legal on own it doesn't look like, can't see reflector? may also require fog and reverse light so be careful if you need that.

some info here-

All trailers must have fitted:
•Two red sidelights.
•Two red stoplights.
•Two red reflective triangles.
•An illuminated number plate.
•Amber indicators (designed to flash between 60-120 times per minute).
•Some form of letting the driver know trailer indicators are working correctly such as a buzzer or light.

All trailers built after September 30th 1990 also require:
•White front reflectors.

If the trailer is more than 1.3m wide they also require:
•At least one red fog lamp.

Larger trailers (1.6m and over) require additional features:
•White front reflectors.
•White front markers/lights.

Trailers Manufactured from October 2012 fitted with brakes require additional features:
•Reverse light

Longer trailers (6m and over, excluding drawbar, but not boat trailers) require additional features:
•Red/White side markers.

Arranging lights and reflectors:
•Indicators should be a minimum of 350mm and a maximum of 1500mm from the ground.
•Indicators should be a maximum of 400mm from the side of the trailer.
•Indicators should be a minimum of 400mm apart.
•Reflective rear triangles should be positioned, a minimum of 250mm and a maximum of 900mm from the ground, a minimum separation of 600mm and no more than 400mm from the sides.
•A single fog lamp should be mounted on the rear of the trailer, anywhere between the centre point and offside edge.
•Two fog lamps must be separated and positioned at opposite sides of the rear of the trailer.
•Fog lamps should be a minimum of 250mm and a maximum of 1000mm from the ground.
•Fog lamps should be a minimum of 400mm apart.
•There should be at least of 100mm of separation between the fog lights and the tail lights/indicators.
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12 pin has me confused, is it a13 pin you are talking about?

I thought you wanted to join both sides of trailer to a single 13 core wire hence my link above.

Btw those wireless lights are not legal on own it doesn't look like, can't see reflector? may also require fog and reverse light so be careful if you need that.

some info here-

All trailers must have fitted:
•Two red sidelights.
•Two red stoplights.
•Two red reflective triangles.
•An illuminated number plate.
•Amber indicators (designed to flash between 60-120 times per minute).
•Some form of letting the driver know trailer indicators are working correctly such as a buzzer or light.

All trailers built after September 30th 1990 also require:
•White front reflectors.

If the trailer is more than 1.3m wide they also require:
•At least one red fog lamp.

Larger trailers (1.6m and over) require additional features:
•White front reflectors.
•White front markers/lights.

Trailers Manufactured from October 2012 fitted with brakes require additional features:
•Reverse light

Longer trailers (6m and over, excluding drawbar, but not boat trailers) require additional features:
•Red/White side markers.

Arranging lights and reflectors:
•Indicators should be a minimum of 350mm and a maximum of 1500mm from the ground.
•Indicators should be a maximum of 400mm from the side of the trailer.
•Indicators should be a minimum of 400mm apart.
•Reflective rear triangles should be positioned, a minimum of 250mm and a maximum of 900mm from the ground, a minimum separation of 600mm and no more than 400mm from the sides.
•A single fog lamp should be mounted on the rear of the trailer, anywhere between the centre point and offside edge.
•Two fog lamps must be separated and positioned at opposite sides of the rear of the trailer.
•Fog lamps should be a minimum of 250mm and a maximum of 1000mm from the ground.
•Fog lamps should be a minimum of 400mm apart.
•There should be at least of 100mm of separation between the fog lights and the tail lights/indicators.
Where does this info come from? I omlyvask cos my trailer (2015 Rollercoaster) came with side view running lights which (obviously) died the minute the thing went in the water. Been thinking I ought to fix them and try to make them as waterproof as poss, but maybe I don't need to bother?
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sorry Xk59D ,yes it is 13 pin
you must go eu marked lights to be legal
reverse ,tail.indicator ,fog , brake down each side = 5 plus neutral = 6 wires plus link the spare into tail to give you a feed for reg plate on one side and side markers on other,
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