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Old 04 November 2008, 06:13   #1
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I have a boat/trailer combination that weighs 5tons. Trailer is air braked. Does anybody hbow if it's UK legal to tow this behind a big (3 ton) pickup, Ford f250 or similar.
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I have a boat/trailer combination that weighs 5tons. Trailer is air braked. Does anybody hbow if it's UK legal to tow this behind a big (3 ton) pickup, Ford f250 or similar.
As long as the total weight of the rig doesn't exceed 8250kg (you'll need a class 1 HGV or unrestricted C1E licence if it is) and it's within the limits of the pickup it should be legal.

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As long as the total weight of the rig doesn't exceed 8250kg (you'll need a class 1 HGV or unrestricted C1E licence if it is) What ya bought?
Ya sure? What about CE (102) ?
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I have a boat/trailer combination that weighs 5tons. Trailer is air braked. Does anybody hbow if it's UK legal to tow this behind a big (3 ton) pickup, Ford f250 or similar.

You got a Yank-Tank with air brakes?
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"Subcategory C1+E allows vehicles to be combined with a trailer over 750kgs MAM provided the combination does not exceed 12 tonnes MAM and the laden weight of the trailer does not exceed the unladen weight of the towing vehicle."

So the intended combination of 5 tonne trailer/ 3 tonne truck falls outside C1E as well.
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"All drivers who passed a car test before 1 January 1997 retain their existing entitlement to tow trailers until their licence expires. This means they are generally entitled to drive a vehicle and trailer combination up to 8.25 tonnes MAM"

So if the pick-up is plated for 5 tonnes towing (with coupled brakes) and the Pick up is plated MAM 3 tonnes can you use your car licence?
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"All drivers who passed a car test before 1 January 1997 retain their existing entitlement to tow trailers until their licence expires. This means they are generally entitled to drive a vehicle and trailer combination up to 8.25 tonnes MAM"

So if the pick-up is plated for 5 tonnes towing (with coupled brakes) and the Pick up is plated MAM 3 tonnes can you use your car licence?
Yes-fairly sure of that as long as you have the C1E (restricted to 8250kg).You won't have the 8250kg restriction removed unless you do a C1E test or if you have a C+E .
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So how do the fifth wheel trailers work?

The caravan club Mag for October(I'm not a member) has a fifth wheel trailer unit at 3200kg with a Maximum Technically Permitted Laden Mass (MTPLM) of 4300kg and a load on the fifth wheel (hitch)of approx 500kg they towed this behind a Nissan Navara the unit had air brakes powered from the tow vehicle.
I can't imagine they were on the wrong side of pc plod
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"Subcategory C1+E allows vehicles to be combined with a trailer over 750kgs MAM provided the combination does not exceed 12 tonnes MAM and the laden weight of the trailer does not exceed the unladen weight of the towing vehicle."

So the intended combination of 5 tonne trailer/ 3 tonne truck falls outside C1E as well.

You're right- it's illegal unless the tow vehicles unladen weight is over 5 tonnes.

This confuses me somewhat as I suspect it means a lot of vans towing trailers are being driven illegally.
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So how do the fifth wheel trailers work?

The caravan club Mag for October(I'm not a member) has a fifth wheel trailer unit at 3200kg with a Maximum Technically Permitted Laden Mass (MTPLM) of 4300kg and a load on the fifth wheel (hitch)of approx 500kg they towed this behind a Nissan Navara the unit had air brakes powered from the tow vehicle.
I can't imagine they were on the wrong side of pc plod
Maybe the driver has a C+E licence. as far as I'm aware it covers me for pretty much anything as long as the weights are legal.
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