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Old 04 December 2011, 10:55   #11
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Cheers for all the updates, I think there are quite a few of us who could easily become "targets" for revenue and seizure of our boats/4X4s. Quite a few trailer RIBs to The Thames for a days activity with clients from the South coast and this is beyond the 50kilometer limit and I have towed RIBs locally to have engine work etc done.

To really depress me, what does a Tacho cost to buy/fit and also operators licence?
To have a tachograph supplied and fitted is around 1000.

An operators licence will cost you 250 initially plus 391 every 5 years. You will have to employ a transport manager, arrange a maintenance contract with a garage for your vehicle and trailer(s) and provide off road parking facilities (a residential address is not acceptable). You will also have to prove you have access to 8000 worth of funds for the first vehicle and 4500 for each additional vehicle to cover maintenance. The application process takes around 3 months.
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Old 04 December 2011, 12:16   #12
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Am I correct in assuming that private boats/trailers/cars even if over the weight limit are exempt from all this Eurocrapic rules.?

( thats not a spelling mistake )
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Am I correct in assuming that private boats/trailers/cars even if over the weight limit are exempt from all this Eurocrapic rules.?

( thats not a spelling mistake )
Assuming the combined GVW does not exceed 7500kg, then yes. If over you will need a tachograph, even for private use. No operators licence is required for private use, regardless of the weight.
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Old 04 December 2011, 12:37   #14
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plus 391 every 5 years.
Not sure thats the case anymore (well it isnt with HGV's) .. Its been the plan for a while to collect this fee through the vehicle MOT system instead. All vehicles licenced on the operators licence would pay a much higher MOT fee instead .. I've just had a 30 tonner done at around 140.00 .. not sure what (if any) the scales are for others ? but doubtless, the overall costs will be higher
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Not sure thats the case anymore (well it isnt with HGV's) .. Its been the plan for a while to collect this fee through the vehicle MOT system instead. All vehicles licenced on the operators licence would pay a much higher MOT fee instead .. I've just had a 30 tonner done at around 140.00 .. not sure what (if any) the scales are for others ? but doubtless, the overall costs will be higher
It still is the case that a 5 year renewal fee is payable for all operators licence. What they have abolished is the fees per vehicle, which have now been replaced by higher annual test fees.

See: Fees for goods vehicle operator's licences | Business Link
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If the combined GVW of the vehicle and trailer was under 3500kg, then no tachograph or operators licence would be required. This would only apply to a very small RIB and towing vehicle. Even a 4m Searider behind most 4x4s would put it over.

If the combined GVW is over 3500kg and you are collecting boats that you have purchased to sell on, then just a tachograph would be required. If you are collecting boats as part of a brokerage service, then a tachograph and operators licence would be required.
Glad I'm collecting boats under 3.5 combined then :whistling

My 4x4 is 2200kgs which gives 1300kgs left to pull. Thats a Ribeye 600, almost for anything bigger I'll use a smaller towing car which comes in at 1800kgs but is rated to carry 1650kgs. I dont go over that anyway. Crazy thing is that using that towing car for say 1500kgs is not going to be as safe as it would be with the heavier 4x4 - but I'm legal!!

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It still is the case that a 5 year renewal fee is payable for all operators licence. What they have abolished is the fees per vehicle, which have now been replaced by higher annual test fees.

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Ok Thanks for that .. It really is getting beyond a joke keping up with this I was getting stuck into HGV drivers requiring a CPC earlier, every five years, that'll be next for you guys on this thread too I expect
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Ok Thanks for that .. It really is getting beyond a joke keping up with this I was getting stuck into HGV drivers requiring a CPC earlier, every five years, that'll be next for you guys on this thread too I expect
Not that I get to use my lgv licence often these days just wondering if it's worth the expense of the cpc crap.
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Not that I get to use my lgv licence often these days just wondering if it's worth the expense of the cpc crap.
Well you wont be able to use it at all if you dont have it ..35 hours classroom time here you come there are the usual exemptions, forces etc and there isnt a test, but as usual you can put aside 400 or so beer vouchers for the priveledge of being ruled from Brussels (again)
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Well you wont be able to use it at all if you dont have it ..35 hours classroom time here you come there are the usual exemptions, forces etc and there isnt a test, but as usual you can put aside 400 or so beer vouchers for the priveledge of being ruled from Brussels (again)
If ever you wanted more fuel to put on the 'let's get the f@&k out of Europe' fire then get this......
A few weeks ago we bought a small crane lorry to help collect/deliver stuff for the workshop over here in France... We will also be offering a transport 'shuttle' service twice a week between the uk/France.
Now apart from the usual paperwork BS that we expected in operating the truck, we have just been informed that Because we are providing a transport service, I, as owner/manager must have some kind of logistics/transport qualification!!!!. This means that someone who sets up a transport business who has no academic qualification in that field must go back to night school (or similar) and achieve a minimum level qualification equivalent to our NVQ..... Vive l'Europe!.
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