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Old 28 September 2013, 19:42   #31
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how many 20 yr olds can you think of who could afford something that required them to have a B+E licence to tow it, as well as afford the insurance to drive a car that could tow something that big?
Plenty: farmers.

Arguably it is such people who make up the majority of B+E test candidates, and they probably have the lowest failure rate too since most people that grow up on farms will have been towing with tractors since they were 10 years old.

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It would appear that some EU states are retrospectively removing towing entitlements from pre-97 licence holders.
Yes, I believe quite a few EU countries have done. Thankfully Brussels didn't force us to do it too. Could you imagine how many fewer caravans there would be on the road?
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Old 30 September 2013, 16:21   #32
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Personally I have done the test and for me it was utter garbage. A complete an utter waste of time. For me it simply proves why there are so many accidents on the road with people towing as there is nothing to do with the actual driving with a trailer ie loading restraining and anticipating. There are so many people that can't reverse without a trailer let alone with one and what they ask you to do in the test is ridiculous. What idiot attempts to reverse into a tight space without double checking and tries to couple up in a oner. Let's not be silly about it here if you think you're nearly there why is it a fail to get out and check and go back a little more? For me everything I was taught in the test went against safe driving rules ie using gears to keep the load under control. Not now that puts strain on the gearbox that's what brakes are for. Did not help for me at all.
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i personally think the best 'all round' thing to do would be something like a compulsory 1 day course covering all aspects of towing, rather than a driving test for people who have already passed their driving test!
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Odd one really. I passed test in 1992? I think and instantly started towing all sorts, box trailers, flat beds, glider trailers etc. However all weighed next to nothing.

I'd towed stuff around the airfield for two years prior to passing test(anyone towed winch cables up a runway)....I've never had instruction, but to be honest I don't enjoy towing, but when I do give everything a healthy respect.

Momentum is the biggest thing for me....keep that down and towing problems go away.

Properly loaded trailers and nose weights help towing characteristics hugely to.
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Old 01 October 2013, 06:24   #35
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Did it when I was 20, once again, just ticking boxes so I could tow the bigger RIB I'd purchased.

Found it harder to reverse the small trailer than a 7M+ RIB!!
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Yes and unfortunately the 99% who would benefit from it are the ones who are not required to do it thanks to the ridiculous licensing rules.

The driving test itself has come a long way since then and the standard of driving is much higher. When was the last time you saw a towing accident involving a 20 year old? Probably never, because most of them time it is the middle aged father who is taking his family away on a caravan holiday and has loaded his caravan completely wrong and driving totally wrong because he is not required to have training or pass a test before towing anything.
That's a question I would ask the 20+year old towing a speedboat without a prop bag in the outside lane of the three lane M6 overtaking me while I was towing my rib? Or even if he was aware of the laws he was breaking?
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Most likely aware and without a care in the world. I've never seen anyone towing in the 3rd lane but I do not doubt it happens. I have however been overtaken by big 4x4's towing caravans at tremendous speed on the A38.
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It would appear that some EU states are retrospectively removing towing entitlements from pre-97 licence holders.
A guy who used to work with me lost his entitlement when he converted his Spanish license to UK. He thought it was just an oversight by DVLA, but it seems that any renewal or amendment to Spanish licences results in towing entitlements being removed unless you've passed the appropriate test. I'm not sure if this is the whole truth, but he still had to take the test before he could tow again.
Yep, and as a Diabetic I renew every 5 years. I passed able to drive 7.5T & 12 seats. (I even had a job for the Post office that involed most of my day either in a Sherpa manoevering out of some tight spots or a "LWB" 7.5tonner doing the "intercity" moves.

I then went up & down like a yoyo for a few licences, now seems to have settled at 3.5T & 8 seats, but I have grandfather rights on my B+E. How long that will last?

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For me everything I was taught in the test went against safe driving rules ie using gears to keep the load under control. Not now that puts strain on the gearbox that's what brakes are for. Did not help for me at all.
True, and I guess as well you may have learned on something not too dissimilar to me where when you took your foot off the air intake was totally blocked & nobody gave a monkey's @rse about emmissions. I learned on an Austin A40. I could half the stopping distance by crashing down the gears. All round drums, no vacuum assist on the middle pedal, and ABS was something you went to the gym to improve!

Nowadays the emmissions thing means more often than not there is still fuel being injected to keep the cat happy, so the engine braking is cr@p. Add that to the huge vacuum assist on the disc brakes....etc etc etc... Remember not all of us think like engineers or remember the "good old days". They have to phrase it assuming worst case.


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Most likely aware and without a care in the world. I've never seen anyone towing in the 3rd lane but I do not doubt it happens. I have however been overtaken by big 4x4's towing caravans at tremendous speed on the A38.

Never seen anyone tanking up the outside lane of a motorway with a trailer? How long have you been driving??????
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Only 6 years and a month, but I live 50 miles from the nearest motorway so I don't spend much time on them
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