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Old 28 September 2013, 04:18   #21
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I've done the B+E and it is a load of bollocks. Before I did it I could tow better than a lot of people who have been driving for longer than I have been alive. Yet I have to take a stupid test and they don't.
im the same as you, ive been towing ever since i passed my driving test and can say that im well capable of getting a trailer into most places other people would give up on. at one company i used to work at, they had a 7.5ton tipper and a plant trailer (long wagon, short trailer) which nobody there could reverse into either our yard or any of the sites. the result was that i had to go with whoever was driving the wagon just so i could do the reversing at 'the other end'. i couldnt drive it on the road as my licence doesnt cover 7.5ton vehicles!
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If anyone really thinks the observation and training you have to do for a B+E test is unnecessary, they need to hang up their car keys.

99% of drivers on the road think would benefit from it.
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If anyone really thinks the observation and training you have to do for a B+E test is unnecessary, they need to hang up their car keys.

99% of drivers on the road think would benefit from it.
Yeah...BUT.. WE'RE ALL!.. the Top 1% on here!
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If anyone really thinks the observation and training you have to do for a B+E test is unnecessary, they need to hang up their car keys.

99% of drivers on the road think would benefit from it.
Yes and unfortunately the 99% who would benefit from it are the ones who are not required to do it thanks to the ridiculous licensing rules.

The driving test itself has come a long way since then and the standard of driving is much higher. When was the last time you saw a towing accident involving a 20 year old? Probably never, because most of them time it is the middle aged father who is taking his family away on a caravan holiday and has loaded his caravan completely wrong and driving totally wrong because he is not required to have training or pass a test before towing anything.
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Yes and unfortunately the 99% who would benefit from it are the ones who are not required to do it thanks to the ridiculous licensing rules. The driving test itself has come a long way since then and the standard of driving is much higher. When was the last time you saw a towing accident involving a 20 year old? Probably never, because most of them time it is the middle aged father who is taking his family away on a caravan holiday and has loaded his caravan completely wrong and driving totally wrong because he is not required to have training or pass a test before towing anything.
your missing the point, its not to penalise the young. Its a cut off date to introduce a new standard from there on. It'll be impossible to retro ask everybody to sit the test but from that date on everybody will be up to minimum standard. Just the same as when the original theory test came in etc.

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I argue that it wouldn't be impossible at all, and it would bring a tremendous amount of money in for the government, as well as improving road safety. Bearing in mind that probably less than 10% of existing pre-97 licence holders, in fact probably only 2% (just a wild guess) actually even need the B+E entitlement, the same way that barely any new licence holders do the test for it. It also wouldn't need to be done by anyone who has passed a test for a higher category vehicle and trailer, for example C+E or D+E as lower categories have +E added automatically on completion of those. So it would only be the ones who have never passed any extra tests that need to do it.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the driver CPC requirement that just came in, is being retrospectively enforced for drivers back to a certain date isn't it?
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I argue that it wouldn't be impossible at all, and it would bring a tremendous amount of money in for the government, as well as improving road safety. Bearing in mind that probably less than 10% of existing pre-97 licence holders, in fact probably only 2% (just a wild guess) actually even need the B+E entitlement, the same way that barely any new licence holders do the test for it. It also wouldn't need to be done by anyone who has passed a test for a higher category vehicle and trailer, for example C+E or D+E as lower categories have +E added automatically on completion of those. So it would only be the ones who have never passed any extra tests that need to do it. Correct me if I'm wrong but the driver CPC requirement that just came in, is being retrospectively enforced for drivers back to a certain date isn't it?
It's not going to raise any money, setting it up and enforcing it would take more than any revenue gained. (And why should the government raise funds this way??) It's not going to make any noticeable difference to road safety, as a percentage of road accidents and road users "towers" make up an insignificant number of the total miles covered on our roads There are much simpler and far more reaching ways to raise revenue and improve road safety, IMO :-D
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It would appear that some EU states are retrospectively removing towing entitlements from pre-97 licence holders.
A guy who used to work with me lost his entitlement when he converted his Spanish license to UK. He thought it was just an oversight by DVLA, but it seems that any renewal or amendment to Spanish licences results in towing entitlements being removed unless you've passed the appropriate test. I'm not sure if this is the whole truth, but he still had to take the test before he could tow again.
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ive heard of people over 70 losing them when they re-apply for their licence, though my instructor reckons they could have selected on the form to keep them on.
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Yes and unfortunately the 99% who would benefit from it are the ones who are not required to do it thanks to the ridiculous licensing rules.

The driving test itself has come a long way since then
You really think so? All that ANY driving instructor will do is teach you how to pass a test. It's always been the same-even down to following test routes so the candidate knows how to tackle certain road layouts. I really wouldn't call the having to parallel park, check the oil,the ridiculous hazard perception test and the even more laughable 'learn by rote' theory test as any form of improvement.I've passed 4 different tests, and done all of the new 'tests' btw. Everythig additional since I started driving is so basic you'd have to be borderline learning difficulties to fail on-so much so you couldn't pass the main practical test.
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and the standard of driving is much higher.
You're either joking or only just old enough to drive a car then? I've been driving for 25 years, 15 of them professionally and standards haven't improved at all. If anything, it's more dangerous than it was when I started driving-there's just the same percentage of idiots, but more of them per square mile.
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When was the last time you saw a towing accident involving a 20 year old? Probably never, because most of them time it is the middle aged father who is taking his family away on a caravan holiday and has loaded his caravan completely wrong and driving totally wrong because he is not required to have training or pass a test before towing anything.
Last time I saw a 20 year old towing that needed a B+E licence....well, how many 20 yr olds can you think of who could afford something that required them to have a B+E licence to tow it, as well as afford the insurance to drive a car that could tow something that big?
Your comparison is irrelevant.
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