any sailers with info about winches

jeffstevens763@g · 03 January 2019, 12:21

looking into a continuous rope winch to pull my sib trailer up the beach when necessary i want it simple it will be pulling around 300kg on wide sand wheels will the below assist or not worth the effort.

cheers

https://jimmygreen.com/barton-winche...posite-winches

breezeblock · 03 January 2019, 15:43

have a look at a chainsaw winch its basically a capstan winch powered by a saw powerhead that would be the ticket or butcher a cheap drum winch into something useable

jeffstevens763@g · 03 January 2019, 17:29

Thanks BB I've looked at all the motor stuff I like the idea of the Barton winch as it lends its self to be mounted on the trailer I can use my anchor rope for a long reach I'm just not sure it would be man enough never had anything to do with sailing stuff.

Poly · 03 January 2019, 20:07

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Originally Posted by jeffstevens763@g

Thanks BB I've looked at all the motor stuff I like the idea of the Barton winch as it lends its self to be mounted on the trailer I can use my anchor rope for a long reach I'm just not sure it would be man enough never had anything to do with sailing stuff.

It probably can be man enough - the force on a big sail is fairly large, but I wonder if it can really be fast enough for you - they are geared (to help the pulling power) and pulling many metres of rope would take a long time, so unless it’s just for the last part of a recovery I’m not sure it’s the right solution. They are also usually a bit sensitive to the leading angle of the rope - so if you do go that way you will probably need to add a fair lead to align it reliably on all sorts of slopes.

HDAV · 03 January 2019, 20:50

The gear ratios are 8:1 I assume that is 8 cranks to 1 turn? You will be cranking for a long time...

Plenty of cheap 12v winches about seen lots of fishing vessels (leisure) use them to get the boats up onto the trailers small plastic battery box on drawbar and off hey go lots of towball mount winches which might run off the 13pin/ secondary caravan fridge supply......

Issue will be length of pull most small ones are under 10m how far are you pulling the sib?

jeffstevens763@g · 04 January 2019, 08:15

thanks lads it was a long shot i know i could turn my trailer winch round but i only get 6m pull it was a continuous rope pull i wanted such as a capstan, understand the lead angle that could be just a loop to pass the rope through. i was trying to avoid batteries/engines if i could. there are some small petrol engined capstans but at a grand not worth it to me.

Last Tango · 04 January 2019, 08:34

How about getting someone to make a modified spool for a standard electric winch so as it can be used like a capstan winch....

They're cheep as chips.

jeffstevens763@g · 04 January 2019, 09:00

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Originally Posted by Last Tango

How about getting someone to make a modified spool for a standard electric winch so as it can be used like a capstan winch....

They're cheep as chips.

i'll have to look into it LT i could towbar mount easily.
but i wanted to throw the anchor line out fix to a suitable point and winch in from the trailer may be have to look for a large drum manual winch geared.

what do you think to this £60 if it dont work its not a big deal man enough to pull the trailer and boat ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FzY5sszXmE

Last Tango · 04 January 2019, 09:58

Looks like it's worth a shot............

matata · 04 January 2019, 10:14

a sailing winch is designed to pull high loads over a short distance typically a meter. That sky winch looks the biz! Nik

paintman · 04 January 2019, 14:46

Review here says it's intended for “lighter-weight boats under 18′/1,000 lbs.”
https://smallboatsmonthly.com/articl...lds-sky-winch/

jeffstevens763@g · 04 January 2019, 15:13

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Originally Posted by paintman

Review here says it's intended for “lighter-weight boats under 18′/1,000 lbs.”
https://smallboatsmonthly.com/articl...lds-sky-winch/

yep read that today doesn't seem to have much mechanical advantage if it did i think it would be what i want

Xk59D · 04 January 2019, 15:50

How far are you having to winch this roughly?

A petrol winch used by tree surgeons is probably worth a look. New ones are over a grand last time I looked but probably get a used one on Ebay, still wont be cheap though.

Or modify a normal electric winch (it will be slow though)

jeffstevens763@g · 04 January 2019, 15:58

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Originally Posted by Xk59D

How far are you having to winch this roughly?

A petrol winch used by tree surgeons is probably worth a look. New ones are over a grand last time I looked but probably get a used one on Ebay, still wont be cheap though.

Or modify a normal electric winch (it will be slow though)

i want at least 50m Xk59D hand winches will do it but im struggling to find one with a capstan drum they are made just finding a supplier.something the speed of a pot puller would be ideal

Xk59D · 04 January 2019, 16:03

I don't know your setup but if there is no danger of it running away I would just wrap a rope round a normal hand or electric towbar winch drum 4-5 wraps and make something to lock it if it starts to slip. If you find it starts to slip when you try to winch in then you can modify the drum with something, I'm thinking given it isn't a lot of weight you wont have much hassle stopping it slipping. A machine shop could put knurls in it or maybe paint the drum with sand in it would do or weld on something perhaps (cones to jam the rope) Or find a capstain drum and make it fit on there. The reason a capstain works is the bottom of the rope is effectively jammed by the top of the rope so it doesnt slip, hence the shape.

Could probably use a cordless drill to power one with a bit of weld to a socket.

Someone on forum may have a winch you can play with for a few beer tokens.

breezeblock · 04 January 2019, 17:27

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Originally Posted by Xk59D

I don't know your setup but if there is no danger of it running away I would just wrap a rope round a normal hand or electric towbar winch drum 4-5 wraps and make something to lock it if it starts to slip. If you find it starts to slip when you try to winch in then you can modify the drum with something, I'm thinking given it isn't a lot of weight you wont have much hassle stopping it slipping. A machine shop could put knurls in it or maybe paint the drum with sand in it would do or weld on something perhaps (cones to jam the rope) Or find a capstain drum and make it fit on there. The reason a capstain works is the bottom of the rope is effectively jammed by the top of the rope so it doesnt slip, hence the shape.

Could probably use a cordless drill to power one with a bit of weld to a socket.

Someone on forum may have a winch you can play with for a few beer tokens.

knurling is awkward on anything other than a parallel surface it might work but it won't look pretty

Old seahorse · 22 January 2019, 20:39

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Originally Posted by jeffstevens763@g

looking into a continuous rope winch to pull my sib trailer up the beach when necessary i want it simple it will be pulling around 300kg on wide sand wheels will the below assist or not worth the effort.

cheers

https://jimmygreen.com/barton-winche...posite-winches

I know you are asking about continuous rope winch, but I use a Hilka cable winch. It has about 10 metre cable.attaches on tow ball when needed, and add a tow rope or two if I need longer haul. I chock wheels to secure as I remove each rope when recovering. The winch is cheap and cheerful, but has been fine for my occasional use where I can't get closer to trailer( long, shallow hards etc) I can't remember exact capacity, but it pulls my 750kg set up well. The winch is powered from charging socket on tow bar. Screwfix used to sell them. Not sure who else does.
Recently used it to pull out a small tree root too !

HDAV · 22 January 2019, 22:11

This one?

https://www.robertdyas.co.uk/hilka-v...QaApx3EALw_wcB

diver 1 · 23 January 2019, 07:03

Personally on really shallow slipways I just use a long length of reasonably heavy duty 12mm 3 strand rope with an eye splice over the towbar and tied off to the trailer and then drive forwards until the trailer hitch is accessible with the car. At that point I put the handbrake on or chock the trailer reverse back and hitch up as normal.

It only takes a few seconds and is sometimes entertaining watching the reaction of cyclists using the cycle path that crosses the top of the local slipway.

jeffstevens763@g · 23 January 2019, 08:57

OS thanks for that i have had one of those its a good piece of kit for the money too, i do the usual rope off the car etc but what i'm looking for is a mandraulic system for long haul over a fairly long distance ive made up a 5-1 pulley system but its bulky the sky winch looks to be the system but not sure its man enough i have a securing ratchet strap that works on the same principle but by just pulling the rope that has a capacity for about 200 kg which is impressive for its size. might have to try the sky winch.

cheers