Am i legal?? - Page 2

Gramas · 20 November 2013, 18:07

Searched on car folio and it states kerb weight is 1942kg

Jeff Hutcheon · 20 November 2013, 18:09

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Originally Posted by Gramas

Think kerb weight of Navara d40 automatic is 2600kg have strange feeling trailer has 1200 logo on it , if that is the mam of it then I will be over unless the trailer is 900kg mam or less then I'd be within the limit ?
2600kg navara +900kg trailer mam gives me the legal 3500kg mam

Forget all the weight mallarky, if you passed your test after 97 you will have to do the trailer test before owt els!!

Gramas · 20 November 2013, 18:17

Not really if what I've learned from this thread! I passed in 98 so know it's 3500kg
If kerb weight of navara is from 3 sites all stating 1994kg
My trailer plated at 1200kg
Then that's 3194kg
Leaves 665kg spare
Am I on right track lads ????

SW Boat Transport · 20 November 2013, 20:20

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Originally Posted by Gramas

Not really if what I've learned from this thread! I passed in 98 so know it's 3500kg
If kerb weight of navara is from 3 sites all stating 1994kg
My trailer plated at 1200kg
Then that's 3194kg
Leaves 665kg spare
Am I on right track lads ????

No! It is the plated Gross Weight which is important, not the Kerb Weight. The Gross Weight of your Navara will be in the 2750kg - 3500kg band so you can only tow a trailer with a Gross Weight of upto 750kg on your licence. If your trailer is plated at 1200kg, you will have to take the test.

SW Boat Transport · 20 November 2013, 20:29

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Originally Posted by blueboy758

you dont need the mam of the car it is the kerbweight of vehicle and mam of trailer

Not correct. You firstly need to know the MAM/Gross Weight of the towing vehicle. If this is 2750kg or over (as it will be in this case) then you are limited to a trailer with a gross weight of upto 750kg. Only if the gross weight of the towing vehicle was below 2750kg do you need to know the kerb weight, as you may then be able to tow a heavier trailer provided the gross weight of towing vehicle + gross weight of trailer combined do not exceed 3500kg and the gross weight of trailer does not exceed the kerb weight of towing vehicle.

Nos4r2 · 20 November 2013, 20:33

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Originally Posted by SW Boat Transport

Going to a weigh bridge will not help. It is the plated GVW of vehicle and trailer that count as far as driving licences are concerned.

You're right.Apologies- I was having a 'need to go to sleep moment'.

FWIW, if that's a 4.5m rib, it probably doesn't need a trailer with a MAM of over 750kg.

If the trailer with the boat on is below 750kg, and given that it's an older trailer and what Gramas said earlier that implied it has no legible MAM plate on it, it might be worth locking off the hitch damper, removing the brakes and riveting a '750kg' plate to it?

Gramas · 20 November 2013, 20:45

Would I not be found out nos? Need to check when I get home in 3 weeks, could always call hallmark up ask if they have new plate as me old one (750) fell off haha

blueboy758 · 20 November 2013, 20:47

Jeff, I think that is a very quick negative and wrong post.

Kerbweight of vehicle + Mam of trailer under 3500kg and car is heavier that's how it rolls... I was properly checked by dvla and I have a defender.

blueboy758 · 20 November 2013, 20:50

Gramas · 20 November 2013, 20:51

I want to do things right hence original post but is it defo the kerb weight and not gross weight ?

blueboy758 · 20 November 2013, 20:54

So you could also be in a vehicle (kerbweight which is unladen weight) of 3500kg and still tow a trailer of 750kg giving u a train mam of 4250kg !

Nos4r2 · 20 November 2013, 20:56

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Originally Posted by Gramas

Would I not be found out nos? Need to check when I get home in 3 weeks, could always call hallmark up ask if they have new plate as me old one (750) fell off haha

It would effectively make it a 750kg trailer-so you couldn't exceed 750kg with it. Without brakes, it couldn't legally go over 750kg on the road anyway.

If there's no weight plate or serial number on it, who knows what it was originally plated at? An old model number means nothing.

blueboy758 · 20 November 2013, 20:58

Yes.
Mine 1850 ( kerbweight)
Trailer 1300 mam

Total 3150kg.

Cheers.

Gramas · 20 November 2013, 20:58

Right we getting there
So as my nav is 1994kg unladen
Mam on trailer potentially 1200kg mam
1994kg+1200kg = 3194kg
That's within the law of 3500kg mam
Heads battered now haha

Nos4r2 · 20 November 2013, 20:59

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Originally Posted by blueboy758

So you could also be in a vehicle (kerbweight which is unladen weight) of 3500kg and still tow a trailer of 750kg giving u a train mam of 4250kg !

Yes. However....

MAM=Maximum Authorised Mass. MAM is NOT kerbweight.At no point does the directgov link you posted refer to kerbweight.

If you're in a vehicle with a kerbweight of 3500kg, it'll have a MAM of over 3500kg unless it has a payload of zero kg. You'd need a class C1 licence to drive it, and C1E licence to tow a trailer with it.

blueboy758 · 20 November 2013, 21:00

Nos is right tho. 750kg for everything in total or then it need brakes and a plate !

blueboy758 · 20 November 2013, 21:02

SW boat, What docs have you read which you are using as guidance ?

Gramas · 20 November 2013, 21:05

Well reading this I think I'm ok ?
My trailer if 1200kg is over the 750kg mam
But!!!
The unladen weight is 1994kg
So I'm under the 3500kg mam

blueboy758 · 20 November 2013, 21:05

Lol. It's on many websites.

Kerb weight vehicle. Mam of trailer. Ive even copied it from the gov website.

G, your right. If those are the right plate weights and you have got them from Nissan and hallmark as well as on the trailer and it is braked.

blueboy758 · 20 November 2013, 21:07

Nos your right but the vehicle is not MAM. it's unladen weight / Kerb weight for the vehicle and MAM for the trailer.

Phil