Am i legal??

[Gramas]

Want to make sure I'm legal for next year so need the complication of towing answered.
I own a nissan navara d40 and only have the b1 cat on my lisense , I don't know weight of my rib but hoping that you folk can maybe give rough idea what maybe could be , I know it ain't accurate tho, need weigh bridge for that.
What would I be able to pull etc
Pic of rib to give idea

[Nos4r2]

Possibly not legal. Get to a weighbridge.

[SW Boat Transport]

Originally Posted by Gramas

Want to make sure I'm legal for next year so need the complication of towing answered.
I own a nissan navara d40 and only have the b1 cat on my lisense , I don't know weight of my rib but hoping that you folk can maybe give rough idea what maybe could be , I know it ain't accurate tho, need weigh bridge for that.
What would I be able to pull etc
Pic of rib to give idea

If you only have Cat B1 on your licence, then you are not legal to drive your Navara even without a trailer, as this is for quads. I presume your have Cat B? If so as the Navara falls into the category of vehicles with a GVW of 2750kg - 3500kg, the maximum trailer you can tow is 750kg. The weight of your RIB will definitely be above this (you can check by looking at the plate on the side of your trailer, as it is plated weights not actual weights that count), so you will need to take your B+E test.

[SW Boat Transport]

Originally Posted by Nos4r2

Possibly not legal. Get to a weighbridge.

Going to a weigh bridge will not help. It is the plated GVW of vehicle and trailer that count as far as driving licences are concerned.

[Gramas]

Originally Posted by SW Boat Transport

If you only have Cat B1 on your licence, then you are not legal to drive your Navara even without a trailer, as this is for quads. I presume your have Cat B? If so as the Navara falls into the category of vehicles with a GVW of 2750kg - 3500kg, the maximum trailer you can tow is 750kg. The weight of your RIB will definitely be above this (you can check by looking at the plate on the side of your trailer, as it is plated weights not actual weights that count), so you will need to take your B+E test.

I thought with having b & b1 I am allowed as can drive upto 3500kg

[Gramas]

I have cat b and cat b1

[Mcd22]

Cat b1 is for quadbikes and trikes etc so doesn't come into it.

On a cat b your maximum towing weight is 750kg with that vehicle. Have a look at the plate on the trailer, if its over this then you will need to do your trailer test.

[Gramas]

So if the combined weight of the nav & rib/trailer is no more than 4250kg would I be ok?
Thought the nav was about 2600kg so would leave me 1650kg for trailer n rib??

[Mcd22]

If you passed your test after January 1, 1997 and before the January 19, 2013 you are able to drive a vehicle that weighs up to 3,500kg towing a trailer of up to 750kg, bringing total weight allowed to 4,250kg. You may also tow a trailer over 750kg as long as the weight of the trailer is no more than the unladen weight of the towing vehicle, up to a combined weight of 3,500kg

[Boats&Outboards]

So you need to take the test, its not difficult and won't cost the earth.

The ironic thing is if you had a smaller car (that was still rated to carry the trailer rating) you'd be legal, although I'd argue perhaps not as safe, as the towing car would be under more strain than the Nav truck would be.

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[Gramas]

I passed my test in 98, thought I was ok as navara was 2600kg so that left me 1650kg hmmm guess its test then?

[SW Boat Transport]

Originally Posted by Gramas

I passed my test in 98, thought I was ok as navara was 2600kg so that left me 1650kg hmmm guess its test then?

I am afraid it is. As I tried exaining in my earlier posts, it is plated weights that count, not actual weights. Any vehicle with a plated gross weight of 2750kg - 3500kg can only pull a trailer with a plated gross weight of upto 750kg when driven by someone like yourself who does not have category B+E on their licence.

[Barrowboy]

Gramas, don't feel bad about it. This general issue comes up on RIBnet every other week and the legislation certainly isn't the easiest to get to grips with or for anyone to understand.

I've witnessed some very experienced operators on this forum categorically disagree over various aspects of the law with regard to towing but as I pointed out a couple of months ago when a similar thread was running, I've also been very reliably informed that Cheshire Traffic Police have all been on a dedicated training course over the past 6 months to improve their knowledge on the law with regard to trailers and licensing.

But, as we all learn from an early age, ignorance is no defence which is why you sought advice in the first place and the advice you've received on here is spot-on.

[Gramas]

Least if I do take test then I know I'm in clear , been getting prices and it's a joke what instructors charge , looking from most places £430 including test

[blueboy758]

i think your ok mate,

kerbweight of vehicle + MAM (plated weight of trailer) as long as they are not over 3500kg the car is more than the trailer and the car can tow that weight according to hand book, your ok. if the vehicle weighed 3500kg you can only tow 750kg giving a mass of 4250kg. it is all plated weights not what a weigh bridge tells you,

Licences held from 1 January 1997
If you passed your driving test after 1 January 1997 and have an ordinary category B (car) licence, you can drive either:

a vehicle up to 3.5 tonnes or 3,500 kilograms (kg) Maximum Authorised Mass (MAM) towing a trailer of up to 750kg MAM (with a combined weight of up to 4,250kg in total)
a trailer over 750kg MAM as long as it is no more than the unladen weight of the towing vehicle (with a combined weight of up to 3,500kg in total)


hope that helps.

Phil

[Mcd22]

Personally I would do the test. As you say it keeps you in the clear.

If you now get caught towing a trailer and don't have the correct licence you can expect 3 points and a fine for driving not in accordance with your licence then another 6 points and a fine for not having valid insurance. After that its time to hope that everything else is spot on or its your licence away.

[Gramas]

So my trailer will have a plate stating its mam?
What is the mam on the navara I found if right 2600kg

[blueboy758]

you dont need the mam of the car it is the kerbweight of vehicle and mam of trailer

[blueboy758]

kerbweight poss 2050kg? leaves MaM of trailer to be 1450kg but hopefully will be 1200kg, but you need to find the figures exact, trailer draw bar and vehicle handbook.

[Gramas]

Think kerb weight of Navara d40 automatic is 2600kg have strange feeling trailer has 1200 logo on it , if that is the mam of it then I will be over unless the trailer is 900kg mam or less then I'd be within the limit ?
2600kg navara +900kg trailer mam gives me the legal 3500kg mam