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Old 10 March 2019, 07:06   #21
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2 x sidelights double up to illuminate number plate, 2 x brake lights, two x indicator lights when both are on hazard warning lights & a fog light.

for info pic of bunk height wheels are 9 inch rims not 10 as i thought floor to bunk top is 500 mm 20 inch
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Old 10 March 2019, 08:33   #22
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nowt wrong with in gear where's it gonna go unless it can jump over the winch post you could have a long kill cord if it bothered you
Not everyone agrees.............
https://www.lymingtonharbour.co.uk/n...temID=216&src=

personally I’d always want someone at the helm as already mentioned in the thread - better be safe than sorry, IMHO
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yes mentions excessive revving & others around, you have to be sensible the engine on tickover will keep the boat in place in cross wind and tides the latter not always a problem in marinas and as they say not on my patch which is fair enough if thats their rules but many of us retrieve boats on our own and a little help from the engine helps if you keep away from the prop and have an extended kill cord should not be a problem IMO. it's common sense mind when you look at some of the numpties on slipways that is sadly lacking.
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2 x sidelights double up to illuminate number plate, 2 x brake lights, two x indicator lights when both are on hazard warning lights & a fog light.
I guess that about the same. But our lights have it all in one unit.
Driving light
Turn indicator that also is a brake light
The left light also has a flexible hanging mount for the plate and a clear window under it to light the plate.
Any other lights are optional
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yes mentions excessive revving & others around, you have to be sensible the engine on tickover will keep the boat in place in cross wind and tides the latter not always a problem in marinas and as they say not on my patch which is fair enough if thats their rules but many of us retrieve boats on our own and a little help from the engine helps if you keep away from the prop and have an extended kill cord should not be a problem IMO. it's common sense mind when you look at some of the numpties on slipways that is sadly lacking.
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The only way someone is going to find their way to the spinning prop in the 10secs it takes to secure the boat is if they fall out of the sky, in which case they were probably doomed anyway.
Lymington harbour obviously think it's safe to have someone standing in the water behind a two ton car on a slippery surface operating a manual winch with the potential of it overhauling and the handle hitting someone, the strap breaking or fingers getting jammed. Or worse the car slipping back over them. (SUV in Ireland slid down a slip into the water and the occupants were killed.)

Neither method is without risk but the risk can be mitigated against with a bit of common sense.
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The only way someone is going to find their way to the spinning prop in the 10secs it takes to secure the boat is if they fall out of the sky, in which case they were probably doomed anyway.
Lymington harbour obviously think it's safe to have someone standing in the water behind a two ton car on a slippery surface operating a manual winch with the potential of it overhauling and the handle hitting someone, the strap breaking or fingers getting jammed. Or worse the car slipping back over them. (SUV in Ireland slid down a slip into the water and the occupants were killed.)

Neither method is without risk but the risk can be mitigated against with a bit of common sense.
Personally leaving a helm, with the engine running and in gear whatever the circumstances is asking for trouble and something I’d never be comfortable doing. Clearly Lymington Harbour authority felt this practice was potentially dangerous and banned it.
On a slightly different aspect of the above, if there was a accident / liability claim and it came to light your craft had purposely been left in gear/running with no-one at the helm what would your insurance company say to you? possibly bugger off and leave you to foot the bill!!??
However you launch and recover your craft, be safe
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Personally leaving a helm, with the engine running and in gear whatever the circumstances is asking for trouble and something I’d never be comfortable doing. Clearly Lymington Harbour authority felt this practice was potentially dangerous and banned it.
On a slightly different aspect of the above, if there was a accident / liability claim and it came to light your craft had purposely been left in gear/running with no-one at the helm what would your insurance company say to you? possibly bugger off and leave you to foot the bill!!??
However you launch and recover your craft, be safe
You'll probably find if there was any kind of accident on the slip with the car or trailer you're going to be hung out to dry because it's unlikely your car insurance will give you any succour as the vehicle is technically "off-road" and not insured for that purpose. So I'd go for the option that's least likely to cause an accident. Boat sitting on it's trailer with the engine idling to hold it there, no one in the water, no one near the back of the car (getting high on diesel fumes), no one in front of the trailer wheels or behind the trailer......basically, one in the car, one in the boat and no one else on or near the slip. Whole job done in two or three minutes.

That Lymington Harbour felt it was potentially unsafe just demonstrates what happens when bureaucrats fail to look at all the possibilities and pitfalls.
Yes, it is potentially unsafe but I doubt it's as unsafe as the method they're proposing. A bit of, "but we've always done it this way" so stop people paddling around on they're slipway......problem solved.
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Rollers everytime for me ............... I launch and recover into 4 - 6 knts of current at right angles to the slip. Those with carpet bunks often find their boat is at a right angle to the trailer before they even get chance to think about lining it up.


Roller trailer with a swinging rear beam means I can launch and recover on my own quite easily .............


TBH at our local slip, parking up for lunch on a nice summers day is very good for some entertainment !
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Gpsguru sums it up perfectly.

LastTango I think you're wrong about not being covered by your car insurance on a slipway, it's private land just like your local supermarket car park. Single handed I wouldn't want to leave the car engine running to get high on diesel fumes either. Just as bad as leaving the controls of a running outboard. That's the kind of behaviour that invalidates insurance or leaves you liable.
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My post has no relevance to the OP
But my postulation is correct because
Your insurance will be invalid
Even though I haven't read your Policy and
I'm not an Insurance expert

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