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Old 01 April 2008, 15:46   #11
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As far as German Reliability goes the Cayenne has just had a recall - a fuel pipe can chaff through and set the car on fire............

Yes Yes I know it's not that bad really but when people bash Land Rovers they love to pick on things like that!!!
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Old 01 April 2008, 15:55   #12
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We are on our third Nissan Nivara
the one we now have is the latest type 170 BHP which if i was honest is a
better driver than the older ones but not as strong, the safety thing was a
recall on the air bags because ford motors said that in a test,
they did not inflate as quick as they should.bit of sour grapes fixed by a
soft ware up date.
Ummm, and a bit to do with the engine ending up in the drivers legs in a 'head on'.
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Ummm, and a bit to do with the engine ending up in the drivers legs in a 'head on'.
I think the Navara was one of the first crew cabs to be tested - older pickups certainly weren't. As I tried explaining before if you crash something heavy like a pickup or an artic into a concrete block it will come off a lot worse. Crash it into a Mini or a Corsa and it's a different story!!!
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Why did Pauld Holder recommend an automatic box for a steep slipway?
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Ummm, and a bit to do with the engine ending up in the drivers legs in a 'head on'.
I think you need to look at what would happen to any of the cars vans trucks
we all drive and given the same test and not taking the results out of context
i ask you, would you rather be in a transit van in a head, on or a Navara
i know which one i would rather be in.
If you look at the Ncap tests a lot of the main stream makers have had to modify or redesign there cars/pickup, to get the crash test star rating up.
i am not having ago at land rovers my sister as a new defender she told me
it has the Ford engine and its great but the rest of it, is 40 years old, a bit like a Morgan, new engines old body.
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I think you need to look at what would happen to any of the cars vans trucks
we all drive and given the same test and not taking the results out of context
i ask you, would you rather be in a transit van in a head, on or a Navara
i know which one i would rather be in.
If you look at the Ncap tests a lot of the main stream makers have had to modify or redesign there cars/pickup, to get the crash test star rating up.
i am not having ago at land rovers my sister as a new defender she told me
it has the Ford engine and its great but the rest of it, is 40 years old, a bit like a Morgan, new engines old body.
They have been retested and now have 3 stars, still not sure how the air bag helped with the engine

Put mine through a hedge and drove away with both legs still attached airbags didn't go off

Just had a look at the new Hilux, I like it but 5 speed box and lower trailer towing weight

What is the height from the road to under the sill on a 110 Defender (just trying to build a mental picture of Cp)
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Why did Pauld Holder recommend an automatic box for a steep slipway?
Because you can apply just enough power to the wheels to provide drive without spinning the wheels. Auto Disco for towing is my choice too.

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Forget the warrior, turning circle is awful. The mazda is the same vehicle as the ford but cheaper. The navara does go well and holds it's value well, can be a plus or a minus point depending on wether you buying or selling. As it's prob going to be a rust bucket when you sell it I would say a minus point.

So I vote Mazda

Edit - Compare the price of the Toyota's, they're good but they know it
I had a look on auto trader and the likes and I think the Mazda/Ford represent the best value for money . The Hilux’s are definitely more expensive . I like the looks of the
Crew Cab Defenders but not many around and also more expensive than the others .

Is the B2500 and the Ranger the exact same ?. As you say above the Fords
are cheaper . Is there any know issues with the 2.5 diesel or anything in particular to look out for on these ?.

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3ltr diesel hilux ,comfy ,cruises at 90+ ,tows like a train and economical
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I have a good mate…yes, yes, I know ( )… who has the privilege of being able to buy and run pretty much any vehicle that’s available…he..and his family have been dyed-in-the-wool supporters of Solihull since time began…having had dozens of Range Rovers, Discoveries and Defenders personally and on their fleet… he is so fed up with piss-poor quality, reliability and customer support that his current vehicles of choice are a Hilux, a LandCruiser, a Jimney and an FJ… he’s just bough his wife a Subaru…. All this from a man who’s owned and driven all over the World, both on road and off in every LR product from a Series 2 ambulance to a RR Vogue including such exotica as a Wildcat, 101 and 127… He’ll not buy another LR….neither will I…unless the Injun’s start up production of the old Series motors in Mumbai.

So my vote..having had and driven a variety of the suggested vehicles is ..Hilux.. if your towing weight is OK… they’re not exaggerating the bus like turning circle of the Mitsubishi (late 90’s/2000models) by-the-way… it was feckin’ embarrassing in any car park
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