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Old 09 May 2009, 05:25   #21
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I have two VW 1.9 tdi's one runs at 180 hp the other about the same. They do around 35-40 mpg around town, motorway runs i get 60mpg. If i get heavy footed then it will drop to about 30 mpg. The torque produced is the real seller, any speed and most gears I can just floor it and it goes like a train.

The jaguar is a real move away from the classic jag shapes, still all alloy bonded with rivets and glue making it very light, it will also come with a panoramic roof, nice. The diesels are ok but the real one to watch will be the 5L XJR, very fast. All subject to the company making it through these hard times....
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Do 4x4's come in manual? If so, I wouldn't want one. With 3.5t on the back you don't wanna be trying to grab 2nd and having to slip the clutch.
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I have two VW 1.9 tdi's one runs at 180 hp the other about the same. They do around 35-40 mpg around town, motorway runs i get 60mpg. If i get heavy footed then it will drop to about 30 mpg. The torque produced is the real seller, any speed and most gears I can just floor it and it goes like a train.

The jaguar is a real move away from the classic jag shapes, still all alloy bonded with rivets and glue making it very light, it will also come with a panoramic roof, nice. The diesels are ok but the real one to watch will be the 5L XJR, very fast. All subject to the company making it through these hard times....
Is a panoramic roof such a good idea? What about in an accident? I have been upside down in a car - it's not funny - thank God it didn't have a glass roof!!!

I have seen plenty of cars where things like trees or barriers have come down on them - the roof usually saves the passengers.
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Do 4x4's come in manual? If so, I wouldn't want one. With 3.5t on the back you don't wanna be trying to grab 2nd and having to slip the clutch.
Knowing how to drive helps a lot!!!

Auto boxes can overheat quite easily on steep hills when towing. I was suprised to learn that many 4x4 autos don't come with oil coolers as standard - things like the Volvo XC90 for example.

A manual gives you more control and engine braking. I know a bloke who does boat deliveries all over Europe - he uses a 110 manual and never has any trouble - 150,000 miles - mainly towing heavy loads - not bad!!!
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Auto boxes can overheat quite easily on steep hills when towing
Bummer. Just ordered a Disco Auto...I wonder if LR thought to test them when towing uphils
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Bummer. Just ordered a Disco Auto...I wonder if LR thought to test them when towing uphils
Don't be silly it's a LR - I was on about the other so called 4x4s!!! Haing said that the OLD Discovery auto wasn't up to much.......

I had a Discovery 2 for a while and it was great at towing but if you are hauling heavy loads a lot I would go for a manual. Mind you a heavy load to a LR is a lot. My Discovery tows 3.5 tons no problem - I have towed 5.5 tons but you knew the load was there - wouldn't have fancied that with an auto box!!!
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Most auto boxes are 'adaptable' now, as well as tiptronic. They'll kick down on descent to give engine brake or in tiptronic, they'll do what ever you wish. I've never had a box get hot.
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Thank God for that...is was your generalisation that threw me
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Is a panoramic roof such a good idea? What about in an accident? I have been upside down in a car - it's not funny - thank God it didn't have a glass roof!!!

I have seen plenty of cars where things like trees or barriers have come down on them - the roof usually saves the passengers.
I would suspect that the glass roof would offer more structural stiffness to the car than the alloy roofed model. The front and rear screens on Jaguar's offer a surprising amount of structure to the cars, driving one without the screen shows this up.

In the event of a roll over then passengers are protected by the A post's, B post's and the doors. The roof offers very little protection and consists of sheet steel and in the case of the XJ sheet alloy with a single strengthener.
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When I did a somersault in a car I ended up on a rock - if it had been a glass roof I shudder to think what would have happened.

Also when a tree falls on a car often there are lots of bits sticking out - not just a smooth trunk.
And finally there have been too many cases of people lobbing bricks off bridges etc.

My mates Cayenne has such a roof and it's horrid - and it was stuck in the dealers for weeks when it stuck.

I hope it's an option???
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