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Old 04 March 2007, 23:11   #31
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Good tool

Had two over the years and even with m+s tyres they are the biz

Only bettered by a Suzuki SJ IMHO !!

All the Landis and rangies (unless they are chopped) wont better these
What about axle articulation? Or the lack of it? Land Rover gave up on leaf springs in 1983. As to ground clearance I can just get my knee under the sill of a 110 - a Fourtrack is nowhere near it. The whole point of the axle articulation is to keep the driving wheels in contact with the ground.

I have driven most of the normal 4x4s offroad and I would rate the following in order - this is based on normal vehicles I have actually driven in anger.

Defender 90
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Remember these are standard vehicles - even slight mods can make all the difference - for example the Disco 1 is low down my list as the front spoiler is too low - remove it and it's a different story.

Also note some of the top ones are VERY close and different vehicles suit different conditions - on a narrow track for example the SJ is a clear winner cos it's the only one that will fit!!!
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Old 05 March 2007, 04:15   #32
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Yes, I did. It was a while ago and I was looking for something to turn into an off road camper and which would double for towing the boat. The problem with going that next stage above normal 4x4s is the weight of the base vehicle when in 4x4 form. I can't remember the exact weights of the RB44 but I do remember that the vehicle's weight plus a camper built onto the back only left about 2800kgs for a trailer and boat, which wasn't enough. ..
JW.. how about taking your LGV test ? It's not hugely expensive, especially as it will open up a whole new dimension of tow vehicle for you. Running an "HGV" as a private vehicle isn't as expensive as you may think.. Mines registered as a "Private Heavy Goods" which means "car" road tax and no operators license...... but I have a GTW of around 16Tonnes… which should even be enough for you “auld Porker”..
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Old 05 March 2007, 06:04   #33
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JW.. how about taking your LGV test ? It's not hugely expensive, especially as it will open up a whole new dimension of tow vehicle for you.
Yeh, it's a thought. I've not got the opportunity just now but for the future it's an option. Even just for the doing of it. Anyway, I'm allowed out of me pen today, it's just over 20knts wind against tide so I'm off to have a wee fix. The Forth whale was sighted at the weekend...we'll be keeping our eyes peeled.
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Old 05 March 2007, 07:51   #34
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How about the peerless Unimog? our american friends seem to rather like them as campers. I think there is a conversion company in Holland also.
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Old 05 March 2007, 08:39   #35
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JW.. how about taking your LGV test ? It's not hugely expensive, especially as it will open up a whole new dimension of tow vehicle for you. Running an "HGV" as a private vehicle isn't as expensive as you may think.. Mines registered as a "Private Heavy Goods" which means "car" road tax and no operators license...... but I have a GTW of around 16Tonnes… which should even be enough for you “auld Porker”..
Is it still the case that if you register a HGV as a private vehicle you can drive it on a car licence? I remember a bloke I met before who had a chieftan tank weighing 68 tons and he just had a car licence.
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Is it still the case that if you register a HGV as a private vehicle you can drive it on a car licence? I remember a bloke I met before who had a chieftan tank weighing 68 tons and he just had a car licence.

No....and that includes Motorhomes, contrary to what some people still think. Don't know the rules on "historic", track laying, Agricultural or PSV.
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Is it still the case that if you register a HGV as a private vehicle you can drive it on a car licence? I remember a bloke I met before who had a chieftan tank weighing 68 tons and he just had a car licence.
Only if the 5th Wheel is removed and it comes in below 7.5t. The police and Ministry up here are starting to get quite shirty with Fasttracs and Agricultural Tractors and Mogs, especially when they are work on Civil contracts towing 20t dump trailer or moving machinery.
Unless the vehicle is engaged on Agricultural/Horticultural or Forestry work they are wanting it fitted with a Tacho, Running on White, Operators Licence and correct class of LGV licence for the Driver. They also are arguing about Test Certificates for both the unit and Trailer, only problem is that at the moment there is no test class that the units can come under!!.
One local operator has recently been fined £1k with 9 points on his licence. Cheaper to buy a lorry!!
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Isnt it something to do with a vehicle being dedicated and specialised only for one purpose. I know you could drive access platforms mounted on a 20 tonne chassis at one time on an ordinary car licence.

Also, I'm sure theres a bloke that drives around London in a tank and he has an ordinary car licence. He was in the news recently.
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Isnt it something to do with a vehicle being dedicated and specialised only for one purpose. I know you could drive access platforms mounted on a 20 tonne chassis at one time on an ordinary car licence.
They changed that about 3 or 4 years ago-you used to be able to drive the big mobile cranes on a car licence too so they tightened it up. If it's over 7.49 tonnes in weight without a trailer now you need a class C HGV licence to drive it.

Not sure if they tightened up on the historic vehicle licencing though-but they aren't allowed to carry a removable load. The ones you see with machinery on the back at shows get away with it because the load is bolted/welded to the back of the truck and is classed as part of the vehicle as it can't be removed.
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Old 05 March 2007, 12:36   #40
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They changed that about 3 or 4 years ago-
Try more than 8 years ago... you must be getting old if time flies like that for you..
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