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Old 17 September 2007, 16:23   #1
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Hi guys

I'm thinking of getting a Toyota amazon.

Has anyone any experience of one?

any downside?

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any downside?
Yeh, if your a dealer you don't get to sell many spares.
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Had 2, good tanks, had 1 manual and 1 auto both diesel. They do what they say on the box. My advice is the auto though.
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Had 2, good tanks, had 1 manual and 1 auto both diesel. They do what they say on the box. My advice is the auto though.
Yep agree, I had the Petrol V8 and one hell of an awesome vehicle, massive too!!
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Yep agree, I had the Petrol V8 and one hell of an awesome vehicle, massive too!!
It was the massive bit thats the pain over here with our tiny green lanes with 15mph limits, so hence the smaller 3 series bm for me. get out the way quicker too.
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Hi Ezgoing

I have driven Amazons for the last 10 years and they have proven to be a fantastic tow vehicle ( 6.5 Redbay), reliable (155k miles on current Toyota), relatively economical (23 miles /gallon) and very comfortable.
The downside as you probably know, in Ireland, the price is €125k + , the road tax is €1343.00 unless you go to a commercial type. Servicing can be expensive ( 5000 miles).

To tow your Redbay and use as everyday transport I would recommend a 2/3 year old Amazon. Toyota are introducing a new Amazon early next year.

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I was only days away from putting a deposit on a six month old one when I was made redundant two years ago.

I did a lot of research and discovered that a post Nov 04 spec diesel gives better fuel economy etc following some minor changes to the fueling system and ECU.

I'm currently trying to find a way to come up with the cash to try again.

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I've got one. Had it since new 3 years ago. Super car. Great for towing. Raise the suspension for launching. TV camera for connecting. Great for long journeys.

Only downside is parking because it is so huge.
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Had 3 4.2 TD Auto Amazons over the last 4 years (had the smaller Landcruiser LC5 for the last year). Before that I had a Range Rovers. The main difference is you can walk towards an Amazon knowing it will a) It will start b) It will get to the destination without anything breaking down or off !

Having said that there was a run of Amazons I think in 2004/5 that had issues with the active suspension developing a mind of its own - I had it happen twice and they had to change out all the sensors (they tried to get away with just changing one to begin with) but when it happened again I referred them to the Toyota Tech Bulletin which advised dealers to replace all of them. Watch out for this as it was around £1000 if outside of warranty ! Wasn't much fun kangarooing down the M3 towing a trailer !

I think the 2004 later model introduced the rear view camera system which made hitching up a dream ! Towed my 2 ton rig a dream.

I miss the larger 4.2 engine compared to the 3.0 diesel in my LC5 although the replacement LC5 I get on Monday has an uprated version of the 3.0 so I'll see what difference it makes. Not much difference in fuel economy between the 4.2 and 3.0 but I drive with a very heavy right foot which won't help !

The wife prefers the opening door at the rear of the LC5 as it makes it easier to reach further in to the load space (but more of a pain for the door to clear the bow of the boat)

I believe the replacement for the Amazon will actually be a Lexus and not available through Toyota Dealers.

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Have you driven a new Range Rover? Different league!!!
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Or Discovery 3?
I have had mine 2.5 years & has never let me down, it is a real joy to drive & tow with!
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Yes again different league.

I had a Disco II on lease for a while - took it offroading in the Beacons and a friend followed me in his new Amazon(about 3 yrs ago). It grounded out twice in the first 100yds and he gave up - took him with me in the Disco - he was stunned what it could do. The Disco II is better than the Disco I offroad but not a patch on my 110. Traction control was pretty good though but they fit that to Defenders as well now.

There was a great test in a 4x4 mag the other day where they tested just about all the 4x4s. The Landies all came out tops - and that's in a mag I had stopped buying because they were always knocking LRs.

One test they had was hill decent - the Land Rover system was much slower than anyone elses but the best was the Defender with normal engine breaking - much slower than the electronics!!!
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Couldn't agree more that the LRs have the very best of the best off road ability and I much prefer the styling of the new Range Rover over anything to come out of Japan. However - having spent too many hours / days without my LRs in the past because of knackered alarm systems, difs , auto gearboxes, head gaskets, ABS and a load more reasons I've forgotten (mostly when the vehicle was less than 18 months old !) - I know that for the 99.9% of the rest of the time I want a 4x4 ON-road then I feel far more confident it is not a LR !

For any car there will be the 'lemon stories' be they Japs or LRs but my personal experience of running both types over the last 10 years causes me to favour Japs for the purpose they are put to for the vast majority of the time. Even given up on LR110s on the farm these days and gone with Tourags !

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Well the RR automatic gearbox was ZF - German as used in the BMW etc - as was their ABS system I think.

Talking of the Toerag a very good friend of mine has a top of the range Porsche Cayenne. He has just had an old LR 90 rebuilt and it looks amazing. Guess which one he is now driving every day - the 90!!! As he says the Porsche may be a lovely CAR but the LR is FUN. He also lives on a farm and finds the Cayenne gets stopped by the tiniest bit of damp clay - and we get lots of damp around here!!!
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what a friend not a mate....keep taking the pills cods,you are brightening up my day with all your posts this afternoon it must be the air in wales or something
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Does any LR deisel engine except the new V8TD come anywhere near the Toyota 4.2TD?

Bearing in mind the cost of a new V8TD compared to a 2 year old Toyota

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Does any LR deisel engine except the new V8TD come anywhere near the Toyota 4.2TD?

Bearing in mind the cost of a new V8TD compared to a 2 year old Toyota

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Yes the V6 2.7 is pretty good - almost the same in power and more torque.

Don't get me wrong the Toyota Amazon is a great vehicle - the ONLY one of the Japs I would consider but LR have raised the anti so much now it just can't compete.
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I'm amazed, does the 2.7V6 really put out more than the 430Nm of torque that the 4.2 straight 6 Toyota does?

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Quoted as 440Nm - wow

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