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Old 18 September 2007, 15:40   #21
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440nm@1900 rpm. As has allready been said. All cars have good and bad points. I personally like LR, which is why I used to instuct on them and now sell em. But the Landcruiser / Amazon is a very capable motor and highly rated by me. The new breed of LR is laden with technology, which some like and some dont.

Both brands are very good tow cars
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Old 18 September 2007, 16:40   #22
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Yes the V6 2.7 is pretty good - almost the same in power and more torque.

Don't get me wrong the Toyota Amazon is a great vehicle - the ONLY one of the Japs I would consider but LR have raised the anti so much now it just can't compete.

Drove the disco 3 with this 2.7 and an auto box and was shocked at how well (quick) it went. The V6 is a very quiet and smooth motor, I was actually more taken with this than the Range Rover with the V8 petrol. Did think that 2.7L and two something tones was going to be a bit tedious did not realise it had so much torque, and as a wise man once said.
“boys talk of bhp, men talk of torque”

speaking of which why don’t outboard manufacturers quote the torque output as in many instances this could be more relevant than bhp?
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To be honest I was suprised as well - it is a lovely engine - very smooth and un diesel like. The V8 diesel must be incredible.
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Yes the V6 2.7 is pretty good - almost the same in power and more torque.

Don't get me wrong the Toyota Amazon is a great vehicle - the ONLY one of the Japs I would consider but LR have raised the anti so much now it just can't compete.
The one thing the Toyotas have in their favour is reliability. And as certain other manufacturers continue to make their products too complicated for dealers to understand and progressively less reliable as well, that shouldn't be underestimated...

I still have a Discovery 2 for several reasons
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K a Do needs serious pulling power, hence the requirement of a jap tow vehicle, Codds dont get me started about Landies, we wont go there.
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He cant take the risk of this
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Here he goes again..................

Why don't you try doing a search for a stuck Amazon - go on - just once!!!
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The one thing the Toyotas have in their favour is reliability. And as certain other manufacturers continue to make their products too complicated for dealers to understand and progressively less reliable as well, that shouldn't be underestimated...

I still have a Discovery 2 for several reasons
I agree the Disco II is probably the ultimate - about as sophisticated as beam axles will ever get on road. And nothing will beat a beam off road.

Remember though it's NOT just LR that are going this way - they are all at it. BMW being the worst culprits. The Amazon engine is much simpler but I will bet it won't be around much longer - it will be ditched in favour of a new high tech engine!!!

My mate with the Cayenne runs a haulage company - he has a mix of Scanias and Mercs on his fleet - the best of them all are the older Scanias with no fancy electrics. They were promised much better economy with the new engines - they still get 8mpg!!!
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