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Old 28 March 2006, 13:27   #21
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tell the speedy little bugger to slow down in 30's 40's 50's cos they are there for a reason, he seems to be too new to driving to not learn from his/her mistake.


remember at 30....80% of pedestrian people survive but at 40 thenthe statistic is reversed or something like that in the tv ad.

if twas my son i would make him take the points and no argument whatsoever. needs to learn the lesson

just looking round to buy my son his first motorbike but hopefully he wont be zapped by cameras as he is only 5!


There for a reason!!!!! Often the ONLY reason is to catch more people speeding!!!!

Loads of roads have had their limits lowered way too much. Main dual lane road around here was reduced from 70mph to 30mph overnight!!! After many complaints over a 2yr period it has gone back up to 50mph - and yet 70mph was fine before.....
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Old 28 March 2006, 14:04   #22
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There for a reason!!!!! Often the ONLY reason is to catch more people speeding!!!!

Loads of roads have had their limits lowered way too much. Main dual lane road around here was reduced from 70mph to 30mph overnight!!! After many complaints over a 2yr period it has gone back up to 50mph - and yet 70mph was fine before.....
Bob - good news sounds like Codders believes you were right and will pay your fine and take the points for you as part of his cruisade against the incumbent government!

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Codders IS right about speed camera placement-but then so's Nasher-if 'Bob' is going so fast he can't divert his attention from the road directly ahead then quite frankly he probably got his licence in a tesco value xmas cracker and deserves to lose it. You only start learning properly once you pass your test and WHAT you learn depends entirely on your attitude.

Incidentally, the 30mph and 40mph fatality rates in that advert are IMPACT speeds and not the speed the car was doing before the driver slammed on the brakes. To hit someone at dead on 30 while in a 30 limit would take them jumping out so close in front you wouldn't have time to react. Of course, the faster you're going the longer distance it takes for you to react....
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Old 28 March 2006, 14:18   #24
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Take the points and shut up. 30 limits in a built up area are mostly there to protect kids that run out into the road without thinking. Bob was doing a lot more than 40 by the sound of it, so You're 'mate' Bob is a w*nk*r.

That road is clearly marked as 30, anyone who can't see the signs, or is prepared to steam past everyone else who has slowed down, is not only a complete prat, but shouldn't be allowed on the road anyway.
Whilst I agree with most speedlimits (note use of the word: most), and have converted from my admittedly extremely fast driving style to now driving most built up areas at 20, I think you're being a little harsh.

Yes, the road in question has the speedlimits extremely well marked. However, the road does not have any cars parked down the edges (which generally hide kids before they run out), the houses are set back on drives with a wide pavement in front of them, and the road is 2 lanes each way, with a central reservation. At the speed camera in question (assuming it is the one just on Northam bridge, which sounds like the most likely one) there are no houses, as it is a dual carriageway bridge.

The speed limit on that road is extremely inconsistent with speed limits on more dangerous roads, with cars parked on the road, short driveways, and even schools, and the road certainly does not drive easily at 30. Most drivers (including the police car that went past me the other day - not under lights/siren) take this road at about 40mph, and rapidly brake for the speed cameras.

To tar every single driver that exceeds that speed limit a wanker is a little strong - I agree that the speed limit should not have been broken, however if you haven't been in that area often, perhaps driving late night/early morning when their are few other cars, and fewer hazards, it would be easy to see why the road seems like a 40. Joining roads even have small slipways onto this road!

Prat, yes. Prat for speeding, prat for getting caught on a road so clearly marked. Shouldn't be allowed on the road? Well, I would qeustion that. Maybe there were no other cars around to guage speed from, and Bob was in the outside lane, giving him more time to react. There aren't any suitable crossing spaces for anyone to run over the road, and nor is there anywhere nearby kids are likely to be playing. It could have been that 40-45mph was in fact safe given available conditions, so I wouldn't judge just yet!

Tim, perhaps you could get Bob to confirm what time of day he was speeding, what speed he braked from to get to 40, and whether it was a weekend, during school hours, late night etc, and how many other cars were on the road?

Then perhaps people can reinforce the message of take the points, and stop speeding, with full knowledge of what the circumstances were. If it was past 3pm on a weekday, especially one of the wet days we've had recently, I would wholeheartedly agree with all of Nashers judgements.
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Codders IS right about speed camera placement-
Except he wasn't actually talking about the position of cameras he was suggesting that speed limits were wrong in the first place - which is a quite different issue.

Since it costs the local council (or the dept of transport on trunk roads) to change the speed limit of a road, and they don't get the revenue from cameras I think it is unlikely there is a direct link. Don't get me wrong I can think of several roads where I think it would be OK to increase the limit... ...but most of them pre-date the invention of the speed camera - and quite possibly would be more dangerous than I realise.
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Except he wasn't actually talking about the position of cameras he was suggesting that speed limits were wrong in the first place - which is a quite different issue.

Since it costs the local council (or the dept of transport on trunk roads) to change the speed limit of a road, and they don't get the revenue from cameras I think it is unlikely there is a direct link. Don't get me wrong I can think of several roads where I think it would be OK to increase the limit... ...but most of them pre-date the invention of the speed camera - and quite possibly would be more dangerous than I realise.

Maybe the councils in Scotland aren't as bad as the southern half of the UK??? There are LOADS of roads where the speed limits have been deliberately dropped way too low.

I have to be honest and say anyone who gets zapped by a STATIC camera prob deserves it - they should be paying more attention. Sneaky hidden mobile cameras are a different story however.

I have a clean licence and it is NOT because I stick to the limits. I will sometimes drive at 2x the limit - at other times I may drive 10x under the limit - all depends on the roads and conditions!!!

Also remember many speed limits are in themselves illegal - just rushed in to capitalise on speed cameras.

There was a case a while ago in South Wales where it was found out that about 3,000 drivers had been wrongly prosecuted. When asked if they would contact the motorists concerned they said "we will wait to see if they come forward - we don't have the resources" - they are quick enough to send out the letters in the first place though!!!
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If you ask they will send you the photos no problem .
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The photo however clear cannot be used as evidence in court, the intention of a forward facing camera is to capture the car number plate from the front..... I have a close friend who happens to be a local JP, however condeming the image is they cannot use the facial picture as evidence, even to the extent that on one occassion the photo showed a 20 stone geezer with a black shaggy beard but standing before them is a 40 year old grey haired woman, if she pleads guilty they cant question the image
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It is all a load of crap -they just believe it frightening and intimidating people - make them all behave like sheep. They just can't cope when people actually stand up to them.

Never paid a parking or speeding fine in my life!!!
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Hey Codprawn you certainly need that atitude if you are biker in Wales .

I got nicked on my bike on a concealed mobile camera and they sent me 3 lots of pics the first lot was of a car and the actual pic of me had me being overtaken by another bike !!
I tried to fight it but would have had to go to court in Wales which would have cost me more than the fine .
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