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Old 02 April 2006, 07:01   #121
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Why should it? Do it all the time when I ride a bike - wrong way down one way streets - you name it - great fun - no number plates!!! As long as it doesn't hurt anyone else what's the prob?

And I will jumpr red lights if they have deliberately taking away the filter arrows to bugger up traffic flow. I am quite capable of looking to the right to see when it's clear!!!
Now you're just trying to wind me up.
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Old 02 April 2006, 08:28   #122
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And I will jumpr red lights if they have deliberately taking away the filter arrows to bugger up traffic flow. I am quite capable of looking to the right to see when it's clear!!!
Personally I don't like to see comments made like that in jest - even if they are - that is totally out of order - IMHO
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No point laying into younger drivers, there reactions are far quicker than a pensioner, and at least they drive by the book .....
Leave home and get a job now - while you still know everything!

Interesting research reveals that young drivers, with their quick reactions, still crash loads more than older drivers with their, err..., slower reactions. Reactions only make up a small part of driving, and experience, planning and concentration tend to make up for creeping senility...

Interesting thread though. Lots of comments about speed and impact forces which are true, but speed is only one component in crashing (albeit a factor that is likely to significantly contribute to resultant severity). Some nice research from Holland examined risk compensation, and though they couldn't exactly work out the subtleties, it appears that the more secure you feel in your vehicle (air bags, crumple zones superior 4x4 driving position with huge chassis etc.) the more likely that you don't give a toss about being hurt in a collision and the more likely you are to speed. Doesn't seem to apply to motorcycles tho...

Let's not forget that cameras don't save lives whatever the Gov't and the "Safety Partnershits" say. I actually met the guy from TRL who was responsible for the first evaluation of speed cameras (early nineties if memory serves) and his report found that they caused sudden braking and reduced the following distance between vehicles. His report was binned and another was commissioned that sung the praises of Gatsos. Hmmm....

Whatever crap we're told about cameras the truth seems to be that they're generating a significant amount of cash for the exchequer and will therefore continue to be seen as a good idea!
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Some nice research from Holland examined risk compensation, and though they couldn't exactly work out the subtleties, it appears that the more secure you feel in your vehicle (air bags, crumple zones superior 4x4 driving position with huge chassis etc.) the more likely that you don't give a toss about being hurt in a collision and the more likely you are to speed. Doesn't seem to apply to motorcycles tho...
I haven't read the research so can't criticise it - but is this not a correlation where the bigger the engine, the more likely the vehicle is to have those added safety features. And engine size and speed is the real cause / effect relationship? I know I tend to drive faster in cars which are more comfortable and where the "cabin noise" is quieter, so my perception of the speed is lower.
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...I know I tend to drive faster in cars which are more comfortable and where the "cabin noise" is quieter, so my perception of the speed is lower.
Ah, but do you kill more people when driving them? I suspect not.
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Ah, but do you kill more people when driving them? I suspect not.
Fortunately not so far... ...and also not picked up any points either - but I admit that is good luck rather than good judgement.
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Personally I don't like to see comments made like that in jest - even if they are - that is totally out of order - IMHO
Right - so you come to a set of traffic lights - inductive loop in road doesn't work - it is late so they are no longer on timed - do you wait there until morning??? Or do you look - make sure there is nobody around and go?
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Right - so you come to a set of traffic lights - inductive loop in road doesn't work - it is late so they are no longer on timed - do you wait there until morning??? Or do you look - make sure there is nobody around and go?
That is a completely different scenario than the one you presented originally.
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That is a completely different scenario than the one you presented originally.
Maybe but both are technically illegal.

Has anyone ever noticed Police cars turning on their blue lights - jumping a traffic light - then turning them off again the other side?
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Really wish you hadnt started this thread!! After all these discusions ive just been nicked today!!! 3 points and 60 quid fine oh joy!!!
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