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Old 30 March 2006, 13:42   #101
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... but the article you refer to relates to causality of speed and accident frequency, not injury levels....
Ooooops sorry wrong link try this Des
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Old 30 March 2006, 14:26   #102
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Nice to see they have changed their attitude a bit!!!

"AN estimated 2,500 drivers who were wrongly fined and given penalty points when a speed camera was placed in the wrong position are not being told of the error.
The drivers, who collectively paid £150,000 in fines, were photographed on the M4 near Newport in South Wales. The camera was to monitor vehicles passing roadworks with a 50mph limit. Instead, it was placed 200 metres past the speed restriction and drivers who were legally accelerating up to 70mph were caught."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFr...864834,00.html

Scum or what???
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Old 30 March 2006, 16:13   #104
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Just seen on the news the number of offences caught on camers whether it be red light offences, speed offences or bus lane offences is up 6% and as much as i hate to admit it, its us men that are the worst...9 out of 10 offences committed by us!

Marvellous figures - given that many of the prosecutions are themselves illegal.

They introduced cameras to catch people blocking yellow box junctions. After several prosecutions were made an angry motorist fought back. Apparently the council traffic planners didn't know that it was LEGAL to wait on a box junction whilst turning right!!!
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Old 30 March 2006, 16:18   #105
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Ooooops sorry wrong link try this Des
To quote from this site; “We do not doubt the claim of the proportions of deaths at various impact speeds."

What this site disputes (and I agree has merit) is the assertion that a car travelling at 40mph will hit a pedestrian at 40mph without taking any avoiding action. As it tries to illustrate (although their maths is flawed) the effects of an attentive driver Vs an inattentive or inexperienced driver has a greater effect than two equally attentive/experienced drivers travelling at different speeds. I agree with them on this point (and of course here we can bring in the mobile phone argument, hands free or otherwise).

The information on fatality rates is interesting (IMHO) because of the significant rise in probability of fatality between a 20mph collision and a 30mph or 40mph collision, hence my reason for posting.

An interesting ( ) fact from this site I haven't seen before is that "the West Midlands Accident Review has it that in 61% of cases the pedestrian simply stepped, walked or ran from the foot path". Reinforces the industry view that separation of car and pedestrian is the only safe system!!

Sorry to all of you bored with this debate

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VERY IMPORTANT INFO

If you have been caught you may get off!!!

http://www.abd.org.uk/talivan_incompetence.htm

There are LOADS of stories here about prosecutions that should have never been brought!!!

And example below

2005 June — Dorset
Up to about 135,000 drivers. Up to around £38 million.
"Standard Dorset police notices have been used since the 1991 Road Traffic Act. It may mean prosecutions have been wrongfully commenced and fines and points wrongfully imposed against Dorset motorists for a number of years.
The potential cost to the Dorset Safety Camera Partnership is pretty staggering."

Fight them - they don't expect it!!!
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...And that's not the only problem with the figures. We simply don't know what proportion of the pedestrian casualties took place in 30 mph speed limit zones. While we know that the vast majority of accidents involving pedestrians take place in town, it is very likely that out of town pedestrian impacts have a higher proportion of fatalities. It's only reasonable to conclude that significantly less than 2% of all pedestrians and significantly less than 0.7% of child pedestrians are killed in 30 mph zone accidents......
In other words we are focusing on controlling speed where the risk of death could be lower but not where it is higher but ultimately we don’t know like I said, don’t put too much faith in these figures Des
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Old 31 March 2006, 13:21   #108
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I still haven't seen the answer to this question, ( sorry if I missed it) can you be photographed going towards a mobile detector van situated on the other side of the road and be done ? I thought all the static cameras could not do this, so how come I get done by a sneaky mobile van with no markings on it?
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I would say yes.. I was done whilst driving away from a camera van on the other side of a dual carriageway..
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But I was photographed going towards a mobile unit
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