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Old 12 February 2007, 16:06   #41
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The problem is that people are prepared to wait in traffic. When you actually put a financial value on it that can be felt then people actively make change for the better.
What's wrong with that - choices again.
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Old 12 February 2007, 16:10   #42
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Not really true - people will have to think about the time and the way you go to work,

Exactly,

GF has just changed jobs to reduce commute from 50 miles each way to 1 mile each way. Slightly less salary but more than outweighed by the reduction in costs.
Two hours per day saved as well.
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We would get around a lot quicker if someone undid the deliberate mess Lanbour have created. There is a deliberate policy of messing up traffic flow to FORCE people to use pubic transport!!!

Our roads are getting busier - what has Labour done? Made roads narrower - closed off many roads - introduced speed humps and extra traffic lights.

You used to be able to turn left at most traffic lights as long as the coast was clear - they have closed off most of these left filters. London alone has introduced an EXTRA 14,000 traffic lights. And what about those "traffic calming measures" the ones where they put islands and other obstructions in the road?

Not to mention all the new bus lanes with no traffic in them and the closed off city centres etc etc.

And most people just sit there in traffic jams and say - "ah it's because of all the extra traffic" - if only they realised!!!

Tell you what Codders, et al....... How many times have you come to a junction, where the regular lights are off, even at peak times you seem to get through it fine, and faster IMHO
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The problem with road taxing is that it can be so unfair. What happens if the only job you can find is 120 miles away?
I'm not suggesting that it would be easy, and under any system there will always be individal examples where people are hard done by.

However, I am convinced that we will only rethink our transport use when there is a direct link between each journey and what it costs us.

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PS We should all have water meters too!
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Tell you what Codders, et al....... How many times have you come to a junction, where the regular lights are off, even at peak times you seem to get through it fine, and faster IMHO
Funnily enough I nearly mentioned it earlier.

You are quite right - even big junctions with multiple lights at rush hour. Last week the biggest set of lights was out in Swansea - traffic flow was fine - I even wondered if it was a bank holiday or something. When I came back later it was chaos - there was a copper directing the traffic.

In fact it is one of the things the Tories have said they will look into - some countries are ditching all sorts of traffic control - even white lines!!!
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I'm not suggesting that it would be easy, and under any system there will always be individal examples where people are hard done by.

However, I am convinced that we will only rethink our transport use when there is a direct link between each journey and what it costs us.

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PS We should all have water meters too!
Your a right bundle of fun today.

Isn't there a direct link between transport use and cost in the price of fuel. The more you use it the more you pay.

With regards water meters why not stick the knife in to hard working nuclear families whilst your at it. Mum and Dad both have to work to make ends meet. And they have a couple of kids at home that need showers everyday and lots of clothes to be washed. When the parents can actually afford those things because the kids have flown the nest they don't need to pay the bills. Lifes always a struggle with kids. Its just made a bit easier when you can use modern gadgets (Cars, washing machines, dishwashers) to get everything done.

Funny how Global warming has fallen off the agenda at the moment.
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Thats a good point.. we dont have water meters in Scotland.... yet, I suppose because we get pissed upon so often .... ooo and not just from the heavens... oooh I feel another debate opening
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Another pet hate of mine.

When I lived in scotland and Paid Poll tax in the early 90's I was paying £20, yes £20 a year for water.

Then I moved to England and found I had to pay one company to supply water and one to remove it. How bizarre. Thats got to be two lots of admin wages at least. And it was then costing me £250 per year. Its a lot more now and I haven't been able to use a hosepipe since last April ! I thought our ban had been lifted last month but turns out not. How much water do these companies need.
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Hands up those who have been abroad and been in European cities where the traffic moves much more freely than out own. Think its got something to do with synchronised traffic lights. Also the europeans aren't terribly keen on roundabouts. Wonder why.

Our lights are set to slow you down and inconvenience you and as a by product they cause congestion. And to get us out of our own mess we have to pay for it. Wonderful.
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Also has anyone noticed the reduction in cats eyes on the roads these days? Often when they resurface a road they don't bother putting them back and when they do they are the useless reflective studs that soon get dirty and stop working - the original design actually cleaned itself every time a car drove over it.

It was actually mentioned in a coroner's report not long agao that it was partly a lack of cats eyes that were to blame for a car with 4 teenagers going off one of our mountain roads.

One of the best safety ideas ever invented and they are getting rid of them in favour of speed humps!!!
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