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Old 02 November 2012, 06:53   #61
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You don't need beam axles to keep wheels in contact with the ground. You only need them for a crap ride

By the way, beam axles have stub axles :-)
Think you’ll find he's meaning the physical difference between beam axles and independent suspension – i.e. front wish bones
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Think you’ll find he's meaning the physical difference between beam axles and independent suspension – i.e. front wish bones
Yep, I know what he meant ... just don't agree the beam axle generalisation
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Independent front suspension is more comfortable over bumps than a beam axle, but when you start going seriously off road and need articulation, the beam axle wins every time.
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Independent front suspension is more comfortable over bumps than a beam axle, but when you start going seriously off road and need articulation, the beam axle wins every time.
Every time? Maybe ... but THIS looks pretty serious
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Every time? Maybe ... but THIS looks pretty serious
Bowlers are fantastic, but biased towards speed, I would agree for best articulation and ability off-road beam axles win ( my humble 4x4 experience includes competing on a national level and I’m a qualified off-road instructor )……………….saying that its all BS unless you run the right boots!
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Bowlers are fantastic, but biased towards speed, I would agree for best articulation and ability off-road beam axles win ( my humble 4x4 experience includes competing on a national level and I’m a qualified off-road instructor )……………….saying that its all BS unless you run the right boots!
Understand the tyres ... same for road cars too. The right rubber counts for soooo much.

Be interesting to see where Bowler go now that they've formalised ties with JLR
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saying that its all BS unless you run the right boots!


Fully agree, BFG AT's for me, they seem to last forever as well. but I used the old mud pluggers on the 90 when trialing, i've heard those diamonds are pretty good too.
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The comment regarding on;y as good as the tyres its shod with is true. One of the main headaches for 4x4 SUV owners these days is the limited choice of off road tyres. This obsession with big rims and low profile tyres has completely screwed the abilities of the modern 4x4.

I run BFG AT's on all my road going 4x4's. Good road manners, usually good for 40k, fantastic in snow, good on sand and will cope with mild muddy stuff.

The Bowlers are built for speed and are not much use at clambering about over terrain where you need articulation. They have come a long way from the original concept.
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This obsession with big rims and low profile tyres has completely screwed the abilities of the modern 4x4.
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Tyre choice is crucial ! I run BFG Mud Terrain on my 90 Landy as it's 80% off road, they're still good for 25000 miles but I tend to change them early when the treads down to @4mm as they lose the ability to grip! ML has Avon Ranger 275/75 17 which are nice & quiet but still got enough grip for the odd beach launch as it's @ 0.5 % off road.
Still think that the old G Wagon Merc was the most effective 4wd with it's ability to lock all the diffs so that all four wheels pulled. With the right tyres they were unstoppable.
Some drivers shouldn't be off road anyway, see it most weeks around here !!
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