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Old 24 September 2009, 03:33   #61
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I wouldn't buy another landrover if they paid me. My last 90 needed multiple rear view mirrors just to watch for the bits falling off, these included insignificant and obviously unneeded parts such as a passenger door, a front wheel and the gearbox extension case seperating from the main body of the car at random intervals.......
LR have been trading on badge loyalty now for a number of years IMO
What is a "gearbox extension case" and how is it attached to the "main body of the car" ?

<edit> Scrub the first question..I've found my parts manual...
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Old 24 September 2009, 14:34   #62
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Main body of the car as applies to all parts that fell off and meaning the complete vehicle rather than just the bodywork.
Try driving at night 50miles to get home with the centre tunnel cover removed and a screwdriver inserted into the gearbox trying to find the correct gear and the extension case with the gear lever lying in the rear in a bag.
I am convinced mine was built in Colditz as most of it always seems to "trying to escape" from the confines of the vehicle.......
No sheared studs for my escaping wheel, going round a roundabout a rumbling noise started and as I came off the roundabout to stop a front wheel departed and overtook me . All the nuts and studs were found and nothing wrong with any of them with no previous wwarning of anything wrong.
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Old 24 September 2009, 14:49   #63
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Try driving at night 50miles to get home with the centre tunnel cover removed and a screwdriver inserted into the gearbox trying to find the correct gear and the extension case with the gear lever lying in the rear in a bag.
Ah but in my mind that is way better than something with a “high tec” electronic wigget sending a wrong signal to a ECU and putting a engine and or gear box into limp home mode. Or it giving you no drive at all.

Old tec is good you can fix or work round that. Why did the MOD not spec the landy’s with the new engine? Mate who is in the forces said they view landy’s like an old dog they have their faults and they are not as good as some other breads most of the time. But when the brown stuff hits the fan they will not let you down.
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But when the brown stuff hits the fan they will not let you down.
By that do you mean Gordon 'Brown' .. as he still wants to keep a crap business going to preserve british jobs for a motor that is out classed in many regards (although not all) across the world ?

They might be ok off road but so are many rivals .. like an old suzuki etc

Last time I sat in a Range rover 2 years ago .. it was only 1 year old and the dash was falling apart .. utter crap IMO

As BruceB said brand loyalty is the issue IMO .... its a disease.. and some are hooked on it ... time we faced up to the facts .. some do it better than us.. and its a shame we dont/ cant step up to the plate
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I love Landrovers but I think the defender is way behind the competition now. It is a shame. Think the new ones are good cars but have doubts about their reliability. Sure I read recently that a Discovery was one of the most faulty new cars up there with Jags and the audi A5. I think the Far east is better at it than anyone else and I dont think the Germans are any better than us.

The old joke is the two things you can see from outer space are the great wall of China and the panel gaps on a Landrover

Despite all that I still quite fancy a freelander!!
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I think the Far east is better at it than anyone else and I dont think the Germans are any better than us.
Having gone from an X5 to a Shogun and then a Disco, I can say that the Shogun wasn't in the same street as the X5 in terms of quality. The X5 was bulletproof.
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I love Landrovers but I think the defender is way behind the competition now. It is a shame. Think the new ones are good cars but have doubts about their reliability. Sure I read recently that a Discovery was one of the most faulty new cars up there with Jags and the audi A5. I think the Far east is better at it than anyone else and I dont think the Germans are any better than us.

The old joke is the two things you can see from outer space are the great wall of China and the panel gaps on a Landrover

Despite all that I still quite fancy a freelander!!

What competition? there isn't any really for it which is why when you go to places like the Dolomites - the Pyrenees etc you see them everywhere. Also most utility companies use them all over Europe.

I was shouted at when we went to Spain on holiday - all I did was keep taking piccies of Land Rovers!!!

And as to the New Range Rover and Discovery being crap - yeah right - nothing to touch them. And the new Freelander is in a different league to things like the CRV!!!

And what exactly is wrong with buying British vehicles to keep British people in jobs? It's not just the car workers but the engineering firms - the local shopkeepers - the haulage companies etc etc. Oh and the RIB makers and powerboat school trainers who benefit from more money in the local economy................
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Just back from Iceland and they like their 4x4s, pretty sure the Japs were outnumbering anything European including Landrovers.

I would say there are plenty of alternatives to a landrover!! (And as I said before I have soft spot for them and will probably buy one)

"And as to the New Range Rover and Discovery being crap - yeah right - nothing to touch them. And the new Freelander is in a different league to things like the CRV!!!" - Codprawn

I did say the new ones are good cars.

"Having gone from an X5 to a Shogun and then a Disco, I can say that the Shogun wasn't in the same street as the X5 in terms of quality. The X5 was bulletproof." - Mollers

Anyone can have bad and good experiences with any car, the x5 is rated as one of least relaiable cars by warrenties direct.
http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/se...8339010848601#


"And what exactly is wrong with buying British vehicles to keep British people in jobs? It's not just the car workers but the engineering firms - the local shopkeepers - the haulage companies etc etc. Oh and the RIB makers and powerboat school trainers who benefit from more money in the local economy................" codprawn

I support people buying a car made in the U.K. Just dont like it when people hype something up too much.
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Just back from Iceland and they like their 4x4s, pretty sure the Japs were outnumbering anything European including Landrovers.

I would say there are plenty of alternatives to a landrover!! (And as I said before I have soft spot for them and will probably buy one)

"And as to the New Range Rover and Discovery being crap - yeah right - nothing to touch them. And the new Freelander is in a different league to things like the CRV!!!" - Codprawn

I did say the new ones are good cars.

"Having gone from an X5 to a Shogun and then a Disco, I can say that the Shogun wasn't in the same street as the X5 in terms of quality. The X5 was bulletproof." - Mollers

Anyone can have bad and good experiences with any car, the x5 is rated as one of least relaiable cars by warrenties direct.
http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/se...8339010848601#


"And what exactly is wrong with buying British vehicles to keep British people in jobs? It's not just the car workers but the engineering firms - the local shopkeepers - the haulage companies etc etc. Oh and the RIB makers and powerboat school trainers who benefit from more money in the local economy................" codprawn

I support people buying a car made in the U.K. Just dont like it when people hype something up too much.
I speak from personal experience, on what do you base your opinions?
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What part do I have to confirm with personal experience?

And as I said anyone can have a good or a bad experience with any car and that may not represent the brand. Especially when they are sold on that brand image.
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