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Old 08 January 2008, 13:08   #11
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My understanding is that using a secondary coupling on a braked trailer is illegal.
A traffic cop who pulled me over for a routine check told me my secondary chain was illegal as the trailer was braked but I still use it keeping it fairly tight. If the trailer becomes detached from the ball, I might or might not have some degree of control, totally depending on circumstances which are a lot more variable than the two scenarios Nos has given. I'd prefer that risk to the certainty of two tons of boat doing its own thing.


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A trailer MOT is unfeasable
It works in Belgium.

I think a better design of Jockey wheel clamp/lock is needed as it's too easy for them to drop putting upwards pressure on the ball/hitch.
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ring hitches are in my view a lot safer as you have 2 enclosed rings interlocking. One ringis a closed ring the other a mechanical gated ring. This is as per the trailers that are manufactured just down the road from me. These trailers are for the MOD and are attached to land rovers that are green in colour. They are alittle noiser at speed but then as the maximum speed in the UK is 60 mph with a trailer this is not a problem.
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Old 08 January 2008, 14:09   #13
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Fully agree with nos42.

I think the most important thing of all is to ditch speed cameras totally and get some traffic cops back on the roads!!!

Many of the trailer laws are stupid. Maximum 750kgs unbraked - wether it's a Fiesta or a LR or a Transit - crazy!!!
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The laws are already in place within the Construction and Use regulations to charge people for dangerous trailers-they just need enforcing.
Agreed... this is the one and only answer AFAIK
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Richy, sad though this accident was I think it needs to be recognised that this wasn't caused by the absence of a permanent linkage between car and trailer. Whilst it may have avoided the accident, it would only work if correctly fitted, used and maintained (notwithstanding the above points about it probably not being the best way to bring a decoupled trailer to a stop). Given the state of the rest of this trailer do you honestly believe that if such a device was fitted it would have been working and correctly attached?

Roadside checks are probably the only way. As with all MoTs they are only a check they meet the standard on the day in question - not after 9 months of abuse in salt water.

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I think a better design of Jockey wheel clamp/lock is needed as it's too easy for them to drop putting upwards pressure on the ball/hitch.
possibly although I am sure that most people here could find a way to secure there's (e.g. bungee cord) so that it was very unlikely to fall.

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A traffic cop who pulled me over for a routine check told me my secondary chain was illegal as the trailer was braked but I still use it keeping it fairly tight.
If it works will that not prevent the breakaway brake from applying and therefore leave you with no brakes on the trailer.

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Many of the trailer laws are stupid. Maximum 750kgs unbraked - wether it's a Fiesta or a LR or a Transit - crazy!!!
I don't think you can tow 750 kg with a fiesta - the vehicle has its own lower limit.


Finally - I suspect the DoT are unlikely to take much interest in deviating from the current approach which I believe is fairly standard (or perhaps even in a directive) across the EU? The harsh reality is I suspect very few people are killed or seriously hurt every year by run away trailers and their efforts would be better rewarded by focussing elsewhere (driving standards, alchohol, drugs, speeding).
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Agree with Nos.

As far as MOT's for trailers, a boat trailer could pass one day and three weeks later be completely knackered by salt water. Surely there is an onus on every driver to tow a trailer fit for the purpose.

Don't under stand why Dave was told the breakaway chain was illegal? The whole point of this is to apply the brakes on the trailer and then snap.
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Don't under stand why Dave was told the breakaway chain was illegal? The whole point of this is to apply the brakes on the trailer and then snap.
I think Dave was talking about a more substantial chain designed not to snap.
Different to the breakaway cable.

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I use both brake, breakaway cable and twin safety chains crossed under the tow bar. If you adjust the lengths right the breakaway cable will snap/operate first and then the crossed chains will catch the trailer tow bar before it hits the road and digs in. As for a dropped down jockey wheel popping the hitch: I find this amazing as the jockey wheel should bend up out of the way first. There must have been something wrong with the hitch lock for this to happen. Oh, BTW I always put a shackle or padlock through the hitch lock lever to stop it opening. Belt and bracers is the name of the game.
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Iam with Nos4 and codprawn.

At least there is now a driving test required for trailer towing . Maybe some sort of mechanical knowlege and checking should also be included in that . I don't have an HGV but doesn't an HGV test include some basic requirement of hitching up trailers , securing loads , and checking for obvious mechanical faults ??

I also think that trailer manufacturers should be made to work to a higher spec . I don't think even the top brands of boat trailer are built to a standard that is fit for purpose . I think stainless brake cables and certain brake parts should be a minimum requirement along with bearing savers etc . Ok your boat trailer may cost another 100 or so but you will be happy when it doesn't sieze up or let you down half way through the season .
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I also think that trailer manufacturers should be made to work to a higher spec . I don't think even the top brands of boat trailer are built to a standard that is fit for purpose . I think stainless brake cables and certain brake parts should be a minimum requirement along with bearing savers etc . Ok your boat trailer may cost another 100 or so but you will be happy when it doesn't sieze up or let you down half way through the season .
I agree with that too to a point, but at the point of purchase a lot of peolple will not pay for a higher spec trailer, deferring to do basic maintenance them selves later, and then defer that too. To me..my trailer is as much a piece of my car as the car its self, and I treat its maintenace as such,.. moreso given the environment in which it operates. You cant blame the manufacturers all the time.
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