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Old 27 February 2014, 02:46   #31
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depends on your driving style also my friend
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Old 27 February 2014, 03:30   #32
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depends on your driving style also my friend

Talking of which, am I the only one who seems to find myself following far too many people these days who appear to be wholly concerned with fuel economy, are religiously glued to the infernal SATnav and therefore completely oblivious to anyone else on the road or anything else going on around them?
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Old 27 February 2014, 03:36   #33
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Ford bashing - My downer on them is that whilst they drive well and some of the engines are good, their durability based on numbers left on the road and the experiences anyone i know has had, is poor.

Everyone i know who has had them is in the garage each year with all sorts of little things once they are 5 years old or more, which when you add labour can be a big drain on finances. Wishbones, ecu's, water pumps, cv joints etc

(Vauxhall are no better)

VW 2004-2009ish do have less solid interiors, though they drove beautifully, the interior build materials were improved after this though on the golf mk6 for example.

There's a reason VW are more expensive new and when they are older. It's not badge snobbery either, as that doesn't stand the test of time on second hand prices. This is proved by certain poorly made models in some brands, look at the ML mercs compared to the X5s for example that were built around 2004. Similar new, but not once they prove to be unreliable.

You pays your money you take your chance one out of warranty and all cars can be a dog, but its best to pick a good breed and get the right chances of it behaving!
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Old 27 February 2014, 03:42   #34
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Just recently got rid of an 09 Shogun which averaged about 19mpg, was costing a fortune to run. Changed to an A4 estate, it's the 170hp 2.0 TDI, I'm now getting 47mpg and that's driving it reasonably quickly.
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Old 27 February 2014, 03:55   #35
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I do find that Mass produced cheap cars like Ford Vauxhall Citroen Renault are just nasty.. I got given a modego as a co car, it was like driving a plank of wood..I Had to destroy it to unsure its total demise... It Japanese and German that sadly make the more desirable car

My old Man loves his shitroens.. always buys new.. every 3-4 years,, this latest one..C4 loads of probs. wont go into those but, the sat nav is so ill thought out its unuseable. the MPG for the latest petrol engine coupled to an autobox is terrible,, cannot average even 30 mpg!!
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Old 27 February 2014, 04:07   #36
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I was shocked recently at the price of insurance the youth face, my 18yro Daughter passed her test back in January, the cheapest insurace she could find was with those offering the black box option, with more discount if she took the motorway speed awareness course, which she took and passed the other day, so the 11 plate 998cc Suzuki Alto she's been driving round since early Feb has gone from just over 1k pa to under 800 pa, plus she can get a 100 squid discount if the black box shows good driving stats. the car and insurance all registered in her name too. It says in the book the Suzuki should do 75mpg motorway or 52mpg around town.
Think it depends on the age of the car as well Jonnys belong to my mother it's an S reg and was a freebie
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Ford bashing - My downer on them is that whilst they drive well and some of the engines are good, their durability based on numbers left on the road and the experiences anyone i know has had, is poor. Everyone i know who has had them is in the garage each year with all sorts of little things once they are 5 years old or more, which when you add labour can be a big drain on finances. Wishbones, ecu's, water pumps, cv joints etc (Vauxhall are no better) VW 2004-2009ish do have less solid interiors, though they drove beautifully, the interior build materials were improved after this though on the golf mk6 for example. There's a reason VW are more expensive new and when they are older. It's not badge snobbery either, as that doesn't stand the test of time on second hand prices. This is proved by certain poorly made models in some brands, look at the ML mercs compared to the X5s for example that were built around 2004. Similar new, but not once they prove to be unreliable. You pays your money you take your chance one out of warranty and all cars can be a dog, but its best to pick a good breed and get the right chances of it behaving!
Makes a change from land rover bashing then
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Just to add something else into the mix.... Ever thought about the toyota Rav4?

The missus has a 58 plate, great MPG, looking at 47.6 combined, its one of those cars that we are actually getting MORE than the book.

It's 4wd too so its great for launching.
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BMW 320d touring. 177 bhp 58 mpg recorded today with roof box on motorways!! 49 mpg local .........enough said
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Only one option for me! Skoda superb estate 170bhp 50mpg. 4X4 .A 2011 can be had in top spec for 11-12K. Huge capacity and better reviews than passats etc.
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