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Old 22 June 2007, 08:16   #11
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Yer, right. So you find yourself going down a brae towards a busy main road with 5½tons of rig, you apply the brakes normally to find the trailer brakes inoperative. Are you suggesting you'd stick your Disco into 2nd gear and expect that wee diesel engine to stop you?

Codders, I do sometimes agree with your sentiments but you loose grip on reality occasionally.

No I would have changed down FIRST!!!

I agree an automatic doesn't have as much engine braking as a manual but it still helps a lot - too many people just leave them in Drive.

Obviously you will still need the brakes but you shouldn't rely on them too much. Remember you also have low range to play with although you do ned to be stopped before you can engage it.

Of course if someone pulls out suddenly in front of you engine braking isn't going to do you - or them - much good!!!
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Old 22 June 2007, 08:19   #12
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http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&ct=...XEyDin6c_f06Lg

See I don't claim to have invented the technique - it is quite widely known - even by the officials.......
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Matt's original rule applies here............
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Matt's original rule applies here............
Do you realise that your quote of

"brakes to slow, gears to go"

comes from the Police driving handbook of 1935 - it MAY be suitable for regular driving but not when towing heavy loads.

As to it causing extra stress on engines/gearboxes etc I have yet to do so - and some of my vehicles have covered over 175,000 miles. Difference is I don't have to change brake pads very often!!!
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Try "Googling" a bit harder... you may come across sites like IAM or the like... and we're talking about modern Light vehicle not modern LGV's who have the luxury of Ex. gas brakes or EM retarders for long descents...

Damn! Damn... Matt? Sorry it's too late the force is too strong..
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Try "Googling" a bit harder... you may come across sites like IAM or the like... and we're talking about modern Light vehicle not modern LGV's who have the luxury of Ex. gas brakes or EM retarders for long descents...

Damn! Damn... Matt? Sorry it's too late the force is too strong..
I know IAM teach that method - they also teach a load of other crap!!! I know several IAMs - they are usually boring Volvo drivers or caravanners.

You mention the exhaust gas brakes - do you realise they do the same thing but are the preffered option because they aren't so noisy?

"Compression braking, a form of engine brake, produces extreme amounts of noise pollution in comparison to exhaust brakes. For this reason, some vehicle original equipment manufacturers prefer to use exhaust brakes, even when the performance is not as good, just because of the noise issues. This is particularly common for delivery vehicles."
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You're right Codders. You win.. how can we mere mortals who only have our limited experience of the real world ever hope to win an argument with a Sage of your vast years and extensive motoring experience....
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You're right Codders. You win.. how can we mere mortals who only have our limited experience of the real world ever hope to win an argument with a Sage of your vast years and extensive motoring experience....
At last you have realised..........
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Yer, right. So you find yourself going down a brae towards a busy main road with 5½tons of rig, you apply the brakes normally to find the trailer brakes inoperative. Are you suggesting you'd stick your Disco into 2nd gear and expect that wee diesel engine to stop you?

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I done it and it didn't work,,, fkkd the disco, and the trailer and I wound up looking the wrong way down the M5. Also the wee disco engine proved to be rather puny
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Yer, right. So you find yourself going down a brae towards a busy main road with 5½tons of rig, you apply the brakes normally to find the trailer brakes inoperative. Are you suggesting you'd stick your Disco into 2nd gear and expect that wee diesel engine to stop you?

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I done it and it didn't work,,, fkkd the disco, and the trailer and I wound up looking the wrong way down the M5 with an artic coming on to me. Also the wee disco engine proved to be rather puny. Fortunately I don't panic easily so my bundies survived
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