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Old 18 August 2009, 16:42   #31
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Those frog machines are too clever for their own good
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Old 18 August 2009, 17:10   #32
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Well I hate to slag off Land rovers but I took a Discovery 3 for a test drive. Before the test I said to the sales man - "Those electric handbrakes are nothing but trouble".

"They are fine he replied".

When I started the engine there was a horrible grinding whirring noise - yup it was the elctric handbrake - look on the bloke's face was priceless!!!
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With every car I have driven that has an electronic handbrake you cannot release the handbrake by pushing a button, it releases automatically when you pull away.
Manual Jaguar's,(auto's release as you suggest) you have to release the handbrake by pushing a button.

I also hate EB's.They can grind to a halt if the car's not used,then instead of getting under it with WD40 it's to a dealer who told me the last time,it's a "new motor....... £500 sir".
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errrrrr

What amazes me here is that nobody has thought that the box of electronics and the 4 wheel sensors that keep your ABS working might be tested to the same level as the E-Handbrake? Anyone tried E- stopping an ABS vehicle with the ABS knackered? Hmmmm What if I'm driving along the motorway & suddenly my brakes come on 'coz the ABS electrics have a canary fit?

Then we could divert to the "those arbags are dangerous - they go off randomly" discussion. Yep, many moons ago one airbag in about 1,000,000 cars did, so how many of you won't buy a new car '"coz it's got an airbag that might go off randomly".......

And how many of you are actually driving "fly by wire" on your throttle? Or E- power steering?...........


That electrickery is terrible stuff......
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Yes it is - you will find that abs etc stil uses hydraulics so when the ABS function packs up you aren't even aware of it - many people will remove the bulb when they sell a car with knackered ABS!!!

Personally I do NOT like airbags. They still aren't fitted to Defenders because of the hammering they get - they can go off when you are bumping around a lot.

How many rally cars do you see with them? Give me a harness and a rollcage any day.

And as for fly by wire throttles they can be a right pain. My mate's haulage company is always replacing them. Drivers tend to stamp on the pedal and the sensor breaks - then he is stranded and they have to buy a new one for £280!!!
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Listen to what she said in the interview!!!
I tend to read the reports rather than listen to the videos because I cant hear 100%

The written one as i quoted implied a standard handbrake, it appears that other reports have mentioned different things so goodness knows what they are talking about any more
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I tend to read the reports rather than listen to the videos because I cant hear 100%

The written one as i quoted implied a standard handbrake, it appears that other reports have mentioned different things so goodness knows what they are talking about any more
You know what journalists are like - far more sense out of an 11yr old girl.........
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Old 21 August 2009, 04:32   #38
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stil uses hydraulics so when the ABS function packs up you aren't even aware of it
...until you pile the car into whatever is in front. If you have a top of the range car you will also loose your stability control, so will probably end up smacking it side on as well, coz you're so used to the car taking care of the physics...

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Personally I do NOT like airbags. <snip> How many rally cars do you see with them? Give me a harness and a rollcage any day.
Errr could that be to do with reducing the the weight of a rally car, the fact that a rally car is highly likely to deploy them (a conventional car is only ever going to set them off once), and of course for everyday life climbing in past a roll cage into a bucket seat & fitting a 4 -point harness and a helmet as well seeing as you now have extra bits of metal tube to smack your brain off is going to really be appealing to the mass market! You'll be comparing the BTCC cars to a standard road car next!

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And as for fly by wire throttles they can be a right pain. My mate's haulage company is always replacing them. Drivers tend to stamp on the pedal and the sensor breaks - then he is stranded and they have to buy a new one for £280!!!
I would suggest that's more down to DAF/ Volvo / MAN / Iveco / whoever's truks your mate uses designing their pedal box down to a buget rather than making it "toe tector proof" TDCI transits have been fly by wire for about 7 years....... Come to think of it all common rail diesels are..... Also Slightl ironic when stamping on the pedal of a 40 tonne truck will make next to naff all difference to the 0-56 time......
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Its a Citroen C4 Picasso. May also have a flappy paddle gear box depending on model!
Why would you ever want a Picasso... the most un-sporting car ever to be built no dout with a oil buring lump to power it with a flappy paddle gear box? Why?
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Why would you ever want a Picasso... the most un-sporting car ever to be built no dout with a oil buring lump to power it with a flappy paddle gear box? Why?
Not me...
I believe the "marketting bull" for the flappy paddle - is that it leaves the centre console "uncluttered".
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