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Old 23 December 2006, 12:36   #31
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To group most HGV drivers in with taxi drivers is a joke.
That's not what I said. Read more carefully please Mr Prawn.
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But thats abroad and people abroad are a lot different to the British. Abroad has lots more restrictions on HGVs.
Not in Spain they don't - or if they do they don't enforce them!!!
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That's not what I said. Read more carefully please Mr Prawn.
Sorry maybe I didn't interpret it correctly?

"Actually, IMHO it is the so-called 'professional' drivers (e.g. taxi drivers, van & lorry drivers) who often display an arrogant disregard for the rules of the road and for other road users."

I am sure you mentioned lorry and taxi drivers in the same brackets....
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But I still insist the people are different. There's no one quite like the British. It shows when you go abroad and see the Brits on Holiday.

Anyway if I lived in Spain where it is hot most of the time and I got lots of EU grants to maintain my roads I might be a more relaxed and therefore better driver.

And the roads in them mountains are on a par with most of the roads where I live. And we haven't got any hills worth talking about round here. Hampshire.
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To group most HGV drivers in with taxi drivers is a joke. I have driven more miles than most and I find Artic drivers in particular the best of them all - coach drivers are scum though!!!
I did not group 'most' HGV drivers in with taxi drivers, I simply used both as examples of categories of 'professional' drivers within which there are individuals who often display an arrogant disregard blah blah blah. Are you telling me that you have never witnessed poor driving by a trucker?
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I did not group 'most' HGV drivers in with taxi drivers, I simply used both as examples of categories of 'professional' drivers within which there are individuals who often display an arrogant disregard blah blah blah. Are you telling me that you have never witnessed poor driving by a trucker?
Of course I have - just a lot less than other road users - that includes Police drivers these days - many just don't have a clue. Even traffic cars these days seem to think indicators are an optional extra!!!
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I see. Yet another lorry driver that never does anything wrong.
Well, I guess it depends on your perspective.



What a cop out! Come on, Nos! In the interests of promoting harmony and better understanding between 'you' and 'us' why not explain?

Biggles, thanks for your support. One of the things I was thinking of is when lorries tailgate one another in the nearside lane of the motorway when there is a sliproad joining. So Nos, why do lorry drivers do that?
Yet another lorry driver who's had to pass far more driving tests and more training along with medicals on a regular basis

I've got a better idea than explaining-I'll show you. You're only just down the road from me. Wanna ride?

There are a few good reasons we tailgate when passing a junction.
We need a big gap in front of us to brake in-far more than a car. It takes us a lot longer to slow up. Cars in general will pull into a gap that's way too small then decide they want more room and brake hard leaving us with the anchors on and white faces hoping we can stop in time-or just drive straight out into lane 2 without looking. Close that gap and they can't attempt suicide.

Besides,if there's a vehicle next to us we can't pull out to overtake-and it'll be long gone before you get out. If we slow down it takes forever to get speed up again.

Apart from that... The dashed lines where the sliproad joins the motorway are a give way... It's up to you to look early enough and spot your gap then join smoothly. I rarely have any trouble joining a motorway when towing a loaded 44' trailer (let alone in a car) and that's without anyone moving over to let me out. If you can't do it in a car then your forward planning needs work.

1mph overtakes-condensed version- All HGV limited to 85kmh (apart from Irish/Polish/any other chancers who don't give a shit about the law) but speedos/limiters/tachographs are calibrated to within about 5% therefore the small speed differential. We'd like to be able to overtake faster but we can't. Cruise controls/limiters are set in 1kmh increments but with 5% difference in calibration there will always be some 'creeping' which makes staying a constant safe behind the truck in front difficult over extended periods.
Manually maintaining the gap is a pain-go out in your car and try to drive at EXACTLY 53.6mph behind a truck without either falling back and being overtaken by someone doing 0.5mph more than you or creeping up on them...
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And the roads in them mountains are on a par with most of the roads where I live. And we haven't got any hills worth talking about round here. Hampshire.
You'll soon find a few in a truck...
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Apart from that... The dashed lines where the sliproad joins the motorway are a give way... It's up to you to look early enough and spot your gap then join smoothly.
Pet hate number 54326 is those idiots that join Motorways at below the inside lanes speed causing you to slow up. These people should be shot. Or even better made to Bungee Jump off a Motorway bridge using Grandmas old Knicker elastic
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We get a few days of foggy weather and all of a sudden people are experts on driving in it ,is that why when we get a smattering of the white stuff the whole of the country grinds to a bloody halt,excusing the North where they are geared up for it.I made a career change many years ago I used to drive a cat 2 low loader with some seriously big machinary on board ,but mostly under police escort never the less drivers would ignore the outriders and try and squeeze past you .Nos do not try and argue a point with these people because they will never understand and have absolutely not a clue.
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