Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
 
Old 22 December 2006, 18:17   #11
Member
 
Richard B's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Devon
Boat name: White Ice
Make: Ranieri
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki 115hp
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 5,015
Quote:
Originally Posted by codprawn View Post
driving too close.
Tailgating sucks! There's an idea for a bumper sticker
__________________

Richard B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 December 2006, 19:00   #12
RIBnet admin team
 
Poly's Avatar
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Boat name: imposter
Make: FunYak
Length: 3m +
Engine: 2 stroke YAM 20 HP
MMSI: 235089819
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,114
Would you turn your fog lights on in these conditions? The car is clearly difficult to see - and his standard tail lights don't help much.



So if you would - what speed would you drive at but my point is that if it was simply dark (not foggy) then your seeing distance is probably about the same as this (less with dipped lights) - and I suspect you would struggle to stop in this distance at 60mph.

I suspect most people would be driving on the above road in the dark at 60mph. In the sort of fog in the picture they might slow down to 50 - but still couldn't stop if a pedistrian or cyclist appeared at the distance that car is at.

Whilst there probably is a correlation between fog and increased accidents - I suspect that there is a psychological factor which makes (some of) us perceive a greater danger in fog than in the dark with the same visibility.
__________________
Poly is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 22 December 2006, 19:07   #13
Member
 
Hightower's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Fareham
Length: 6m +
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 7,855
Well I was in a thick Fog bank last year comming into Pompy Harbour, I was just at planing speed 14 knotts and eye's where on stalks, I even told my crew to shut up as there where Yachts and all sorts comming in from all directions, couple this with Fog horns from Ferries and larger Ships that sounded like they were only 10ft away. It was so bad I thought the smal boat channel would be closed to allow larger ships into harbour.

This Knob end came flying past in his RIB at about 30/35 knotts, he had no Radar and no nav lights on and if on a collision course with a stationary object like a bouy would have had no chance of stopping or swerving out the way, net alone another vessel comming toward him. The combined speed wouldn't bear thinking about. What a dick head I thought!

I bet any money that the helmsman/woman of that RIB would drive down a motorway at breakneck speeds in poor conditions.
__________________
Andy

Looks Slow but is Fast
Member of the ebay Blue RIB cover club.
Hightower is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23 December 2006, 02:00   #14
RIBnet admin team
 
Nos4r2's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: The wilds of Wiltshire
Boat name: WhiteNoise/Dominator
Make: Ballistic 7.8/SR5.4
Length: 7m +
Engine: Opti 225/Yam 85
MMSI: 235090687/235055163
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 12,645
RIBase
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard B View Post
Yep, but if you can see the next vehicle on the carriageway in front of you clearly, then only a broken-down meteorite plunging to earth is going to appear on the lane in front of you! Debris on the road is an interesting point.... what would you do? Swerve? Hmmm... think about it! Sure, always drive only as fast as you can see ahead for stopping etc, that's basic stuff.
Bull.

Just because it goes between the wheels of the vehicle in front doesn't mean you've got time/space to react to it to do the same-and if the vehicle in front hits a stationary object then you're f*cked. Don't rely on the moron in front of you to be driving correctly or even paying attention. He probably isn't-and when he runs into the back of the pileup he hasn't seen then you're buggered too,along with the guy behind you that's doing the same as you.

I'm a truck driver. The standard of driving I've seen from Joe Public since the fog started has been so BLOODY ABYSMAL that I'm surprised I haven't seen a multiple fatality.
It reached a peak of incompetence yesterday with the number of people going away for Christmas who must drive 10 feet from the car ahead in fog at 70mph with so much crap in their cars that they can't see their mirrors or out of the rear window. It's blatant that they can't see properly-I could barely see well enough to do 56mph sat 8 feet up looking over the top of all the cars.
__________________
Need spares,consoles,consumables,hire,training or even a new boat?

Please click HERE and HERE and support our Trade Members.

Join up as a Trade member or Supporter HERE
Nos4r2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23 December 2006, 02:07   #15
RIBnet admin team
 
Nos4r2's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: The wilds of Wiltshire
Boat name: WhiteNoise/Dominator
Make: Ballistic 7.8/SR5.4
Length: 7m +
Engine: Opti 225/Yam 85
MMSI: 235090687/235055163
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 12,645
RIBase
Quote:
Originally Posted by Polwart View Post
Would you turn your fog lights on in these conditions? The car is clearly difficult to see - and his standard tail lights don't help much.



So if you would - what speed would you drive at but my point is that if it was simply dark (not foggy) then your seeing distance is probably about the same as this (less with dipped lights) - and I suspect you would struggle to stop in this distance at 60mph.

I suspect most people would be driving on the above road in the dark at 60mph. In the sort of fog in the picture they might slow down to 50 - but still couldn't stop if a pedistrian or cyclist appeared at the distance that car is at.

Whilst there probably is a correlation between fog and increased accidents - I suspect that there is a psychological factor which makes (some of) us perceive a greater danger in fog than in the dark with the same visibility.
How far ahead is the car? It's not possible to tell distance properly from a 2d photograph but IF the spacings on the white lines are correct then I'd have my fog lights on in that situation-but I wouldn't be driving down that road at 60mph in the dark either if the road is as narrow as it looks.

Fog removes the visual cues and markers we use for driving at night-movement,moving shadows, catseyes etc. The other effect it has is to make the driver stare into it-often actually making them speed up without realising as they don't realise how fast they are going.
__________________
Need spares,consoles,consumables,hire,training or even a new boat?

Please click HERE and HERE and support our Trade Members.

Join up as a Trade member or Supporter HERE
Nos4r2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23 December 2006, 06:02   #16
Member
 
Richard B's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Devon
Boat name: White Ice
Make: Ranieri
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki 115hp
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 5,015
Nos - the lecture about what may or may not be visible, and the reaction and stopping times isn't necessary. Save it for your so-called "professional" colleagues, many of whom need re-education.
Richard B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23 December 2006, 07:00   #17
Member
 
Country: Other
Town: Oakley
Boat name: Zerstörer
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki DF 140
MMSI: 235050131
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,931
And my winter pet hate is the idiots that put their front Fog Lights on when there is no fog at all. And the summer one is those brilliant one handed drivers that can multitask and use a phone whilst driving.
__________________
Biggles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23 December 2006, 07:09   #18
Member
 
Richard B's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Devon
Boat name: White Ice
Make: Ranieri
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki 115hp
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 5,015
Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggles View Post
And my winter pet hate is the idiots that put their front Fog Lights on when there is no fog at all...
And one of mine is use of (rear) fog lights when it's raining - I find it extremely tiring on the eyes.
Richard B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23 December 2006, 07:14   #19
Member
 
Country: Other
Town: Oakley
Boat name: Zerstörer
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki DF 140
MMSI: 235050131
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,931
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard B View Post
And one of mine is use of (rear) fog lights when it's raining - I find it extremely tiring on the eyes.
Haven't noticed that one.

In the latest issue of the Institute of Advanced Motorists magazine somebody had the neck to complain about the Police because they had fined his son for driving with his Fog Lights on when it wasn't foggy. At least the editor had the gumption to back the Police. Would be nice to see more people getting reported for it. There again when was the last time you saw a Police Car actually stopping someone !
And I think this is the trouble most people think your never going to see a Police man so why should I bother with the rules or even take time to learn them.
__________________
Biggles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23 December 2006, 09:09   #20
RIBnet admin team
 
Nos4r2's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: The wilds of Wiltshire
Boat name: WhiteNoise/Dominator
Make: Ballistic 7.8/SR5.4
Length: 7m +
Engine: Opti 225/Yam 85
MMSI: 235090687/235055163
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 12,645
RIBase
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard B View Post
Nos - the lecture about what may or may not be visible, and the reaction and stopping times isn't necessary. Save it for your so-called "professional" colleagues, many of whom need re-education.

I see. Yet another car driver that never does anything wrong.
__________________
Need spares,consoles,consumables,hire,training or even a new boat?

Please click HERE and HERE and support our Trade Members.

Join up as a Trade member or Supporter HERE
Nos4r2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 13:44.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.