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Old 17 June 2004, 20:04   #61
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Just ask anyone who drives a diesel how easy it is to stall a petrol hire car!
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Old 18 June 2004, 05:42   #62
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V8 petrol automatic range rover, 1986. Can launch and recover from just about anywhere. Lucky if we get 12 mpg but only use it with the rib so costs about 8.00 to and from local slip. Vehicle cost 1100.00 4 years ago with annual costs around 400.00 (Road fund, MOT and insurance (cherished vehicle insurance). Can fill it with wet gear and kids.Also use it to block up my drive to deter rib thieves....



worth considering?

Doug
Doug I think you are right....

There are some good deals on older discovery's out there.....

I paid 2400.00 for my 1992 V8 petrol and use it regulary for the shorter trips.

One thing is for sure, it won't get stuck and has plenty of power.....

Try finding one with an lpg conversion and you can have cheap fuel as well.

The other plus being that at that price it does not matter if you dunk it...



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PS make sure you have the transmission check out because that can be a problem on the older ones
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Old 19 June 2004, 06:45   #63
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Oh no! Not TOWING again !!!

Hi Guys,

Sorry to bring this one up again but what about an 8.5mtr Scorpion with a BIG Verado or Yamaha 300 HPDI and 80 gallons of petrol?

Won't some of these vehicles get pulled down the slipway behind such a boat?

I intend to use a car mainly for launching rather than towing but I do have a 200 mile round trip to the Solent and I shall only have one car.

It seems that you have so far been talking about towing and launching 6mtr - 7mtr boats, which are likely to be quite a lot lighter than my proposed rig.

A Disco would be feasible (but no bigger). I see that a Jag has been mentioned. Could a 3-litre S-Type really handle such a boat on the slipway? I have to admit that this is my favourite car today. Yes! I do qualify as "over 45"!

Didn't someone say quite a while ago that it's the trailer, rather than the load that is restricted by tow-length?

Come on - tell me the Jag would be perfect for the job (based on actual experience) then I might be able to have my cake and eat it!

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Old 19 June 2004, 06:58   #64
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Chris,

Your Jag (Or for that matter any other saloon incl BMW 530) will be too small for towing an 8.5m Scorp on twin axle trailer. You will need a proper 4x4 - Landrover, Shogun, Disco,Trooper,Grand Cherokee etc. Blue Ice (my old Scorp & Richard B's now) weighed 2100kg on a twin axle trailer. More with a full fuel tank and kit onboard. She towed fantastically well behind a 3.0TD Trooper LWB.

The original question on this thread related to a 6-6.5m RIB which is OK behind a normal car. Bigger boat is a whole different ballgame!

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Old 19 June 2004, 07:01   #65
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Chris - I think you're into serious 4x4 territory here... the most popular vehicles for 8m+ RIBs are generally Toyota Landcruiser Amazons, or American imports (which will do up to 9tonnes?). Jeep Grand Cherokees and BMW X-5 seem popular as well.

I'm fairly sure that the 8.5 RIB with heavy engine will be well over the tow capability of any saloon car. Our 7.5 is on the limit for my Merc estate.

The trailer law is very vague - 7m max IIRC, excluding drawbar (common consensus seems to be that the drawbar starts at the winch post), and overhanging loads are allowed. There is an exemption for "indivisible loads" but it's not well defined. I reckon that a boat is reasonably well described as indivisible!

With bigger RIBs, dry berthing becomes a good option. You retain a comfy saloon car of your choice, and avoid worries of towing and the problems of slipway launching. In terms of costs, you don't have a 4x4 to run all through the week, and you won't need to service the trailer too often (4 wheels - gets pricey!).
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Old 19 June 2004, 07:25   #66
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[QUOTE=Richard B] Chris - I think you're into serious 4x4 territory here... the most popular vehicles for 8m+ RIBs are generally Toyota Landcruiser Amazons, or American imports (which will do up to 9tonnes?). Jeep Grand Cherokees and BMW X-5 seem popular as well.

What sort of American import will tow 9 tonnes????

They don't come much bigger than the Dodge Ram - the max towing for that is 5000lbs standard which equals 2.2 tonnes - the high capacity models will tow 8660lbs which is about 3900kgs.

Even the Hummer will actually tow less than a Land Rover!

Remember a lot of a vehicles towing abilities are down to our LAWS!

I have actually seen a police Range Rover dragging a 38 ton artic off the motorway on it's side in snow! I once towed a big Iveco double wheel van fully laden which had a siezed back axle - I was driving a new Discovery TD5 auto and it dragged the van along no probs - left 4 tramlines down the road until the tyres burst - was easier to tow then! I din't even need to go into low range.

Looking through my mates caravan mag the other day(I not sad enough to buy one) the Land Rover products had higher towing capacities than ANY other vehicle in the list.
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My apologies - it's not 9 tonnes, it's 5 tonnes (11000lbs converted at 2.2lbs to the kilo).

As you state, the vehicle's towing capability is legally restricted. Above 3.5 tonnes, I think you need the trailer's brakes powered from the towing vehicle. This would need a little more research as the overall length, overall weight (gross train weight) and weight of the towing vehicle become more important.

Codprawn, I hope you re-imbursed the highway authority for damaging the tarmac.
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Codprawn, I hope you re-imbursed the highway authority for damaging the tarmac. [/QUOTE]


It was OK till the tyres burst - the tramlines from the bare rims were pretty impressive!

Makes a nice change from all the times I haven't bothered trying to sue them for damage caused by speedhumps - potholes - road debris etc etc! Nice to get a bit of REVENGE!!!
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Old 19 June 2004, 16:57   #69
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This thread is getting more and more informative by the day.

I cannot recommend the X5. We bought one last September (3.0 d sport manual) We chose the manual as we need to keep the car for 4 years and this means we will be using the car for 1 year without the manufacturer's warranty. As most of my previous prestige cars have needed replacement autoboxes between yr 3 and yr 4 , i am trying the manual box, as a clutch must be cheaper than an autobox!

The problem is the amount of clutch slip you have to give the car to move it up the ramp. On a steep ramp you can smell the clutch when you get out the car to finish strapping the boat etc.

This is why I chose to use the Range Rover, the V8 is unstoppable and in low box, there is no strain on the torque converter, as flat out in 1st is approx 5 mph!

As I said before the fuel consumption is criminal, but the LPG or diesel version may improve things.

I am actually slightly embarrassed when we recover, as if the slip is occupied (soemtimes for a long time by somebody stuck) we drive down onto the beach, grab the rib, move to a suitable spot and finalise the rib for road use. The problem is saying no to requests from others who are attempting to recover their boats with inadequate vehicles.

Try a Disco or Range Rover, you'll never look back (well maybe at the fuel station price as you drive by!!!)

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Old 19 June 2004, 17:46   #70
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This is why I chose to use the Range Rover, the V8 is unstoppable and in low box, there is no strain on the torque converter, as flat out in 1st is approx 5 mph!

Try a Disco or Range Rover, you'll never look back (well maybe at the fuel station price as you drive by!!!)

Doug [/QUOTE]

Couldn't agree more - people often moan about them rusting etc etc but if you saw another make vehicle that had led a similar life there would be nothing left!

Near Swansea there is a vast area of salt marshes known as Penclawdd where people have gathered cockles for centuries - untill quite recently they still used horse and cart as the conditions are so bad - when they started using 4x4s they were all Land Rovers but of course they rusted so they tried the Jap 4x4 pickups etc - guess what - they have all gone back to Land Rovers - they seem to be the only thing that will survive the constant saltwater spray and they refuse to get stuck unless you are really stupid!

Having said that no matter what vehicle you drive salt water does them no good at all - make sure they get a good wash down afterwards - my best tip is to stick a garden sprinkler underneath for 30 mins - far better than a pressure washer - it is flow that counts not pressure - it saves your back as well - could be I am just lazy!!!
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