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Old 03 October 2007, 08:15   #31
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I have now driven the Range Rover on a mixed XC track as well and was very impressed with that but can't live with the UK depreciation!
Actually ALL big luxury cars are the same - in fact if you want to see REALLY scary figures look at the Audi A8/BMW 7 series.

Looking at the figures for the Cayenne and other 60k offroaders and you will see there isn't much difference between them.

http://www.whatcar.com/depreciation-index.aspx

If you look at lower classes the Discovery is actually better than most.

http://www.brightwells.com/4x4/Recen...2/Default.aspx

If you keep your eye on this auction site you will see that most LRs go for over the book price - not the case with the other makes.
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All the older LRs had the handbrake operating on all 4 wheels ...
Is that right? I thought the handbrake worked on the rear output shaft from the transfer box...so, no...it doesn't operate on all four wheels. In the “Series” motors.. the drum only locks the rear output and unless you engage the transfer lever to the front axle you only get the rear prop "locked".. and in the "permanent drive" transfers of the later motors you need to engage centre diff lock for maximum efficiency...

Big Patrol (Manual) is rated 3,500... it's the Auto box that won't take it..
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That is a joke - Volvo must have known the XC90 would be used for towing!!!

Land Rovers really will tow silly loads. My old Discovery will tow 3.5 tons very easily and I have actually towed 5.5 tons no problem(on private roads).

Don't be silly, Volvo assumed (rightly in 99.9% of cases) that most of the school run would be done without Henrietta and Charlottes pony box on the back and that the owners would have a man with proper 4x4 to tow anything for them.

The Touareg has towed a jumbo jet. Even you may struggle to come up with the missing 150 tonnes that you've towed on your private roads. Of course I'm expecting a snappy comeback about how it's the lightweight 155 tonne version, not the 190 tonne version that a Series 1 Defender could pull without engaging low ratio but it's just an illustration...................
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its a balance

used to run jap, l200 no problems realy considering the abuse i gave it .cracked head apparantly very com if i had less than 10k to spend its the car to buy !!

also run td5 disco good alround car. again very abused now in haveing new head .

if i had less than 20k to spend very goood for the money also try a shogun
got a trasport freined thats just done 350000 in his no major stuff wrong

i run a range rover now as my car, pound for pound cant beat it 50000 miles a year in comfort and towes very well

the choice is yours what i would say is take into account how many miles a year you do and how fresh you want to feel when you get out of it at the other end !!!

depreciation come on you own a boat ????
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Is that right? I thought the handbrake worked on the rear output shaft from the transfer box...so, no...it doesn't operate on all four wheels. In the “Series” motors.. the drum only locks the rear output and unless you engage the transfer lever to the front axle you only get the rear prop "locked".. and in the "permanent drive" transfers of the later motors you need to engage centre diff lock for maximum efficiency...

Big Patrol (Manual) is rated 3,500... it's the Auto box that won't take it..
I was on about the RR/Discovery and the Defenders since 1983 - in other words the most common LRs on the road.

You are right in saying that you need to engage difflock for maximum efficiency but it's not very likely you will jack one wheel off the ground at the time is it???
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Don't be silly, Volvo assumed (rightly in 99.9% of cases) that most of the school run would be done without Henrietta and Charlottes pony box on the back and that the owners would have a man with proper 4x4 to tow anything for them.

The Touareg has towed a jumbo jet. Even you may struggle to come up with the missing 150 tonnes that you've towed on your private roads. Of course I'm expecting a snappy comeback about how it's the lightweight 155 tonne version, not the 190 tonne version that a Series 1 Defender could pull without engaging low ratio but it's just an illustration...................
Yes a remarkable achievement to con the public with.

How about some of these

Man pulling a plane with his teeth




Or a train with his teeth



Or a Chinese Grandmother pulling a truck with her teeth

Or a bloke pulling a plane with his ears.

Also the World's strongest man has a big jet pulling contest - all a lot more impressive than the VW!!!
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I called my local Toyota dealer and they had never heard of the Amazon version, but it may be that this is country specific. They did tell me that a new Landcruiser was coming out in Jan-Feb 08 with a V8 Diesel engine at 300HP. They thought it might be called Landcruiser 200 or Landcruiser V8. I will wait with any decision until this car comes out.
The Amazon may only be availalble as a Lexus where you are.
I've heard that the new Amazon will only be available as a lexus worldwide.

When I was in Canada recently I spotted the Toyota Tundra, which is very basically an Amazon cut off behind the back seats with 6 foot of Pick up bed added. The 4.7V8 Petrol is the smallest engine available in it!
Try parking that in your local Sainsburys.

Like this one for sale here on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA:IT&ih=018


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The reason for asking the question on best towing vehicle is that I broke the gearbox on my existing Volvo XC90. When I bought this car, I bought with the towhook supplied by the factory. Apparently nobody told me that you also needed to fit an oilcooler for the gearbox oil. The result was that the gearbox oil overheated and I could buy a new gearbox at 5.000 !!! I am now planning to buy a new rib ( heavier) so the Volvo will be too light in any case. Apprently Volvo now place an oilcooler standard when you order a car with a towinghook. My claim to Volvo is that they should have supplied one on my old car also but didn't. I am building a case against them and any similar cases that you may know about would/could support my claim. Thanks

A customer of mine had this problem when towing with an XC 90, and he was only towing one of our mini diggers and a trailer 1750 kgs tops. He thought he'd damaged something, but after a while it cooled and worked ok again, I'll see if I can find his details for you as it would be of mutual benefit for you both.

I still find that hard to believe though, that volvo didnt suss this ? I pull my 8.5 mtr with an X5 which is an auto and no problems. Whilst the X5 has no low ratio, it 'learning box' has some pretty clever tricks up its sleeve, such as changing up a gear when you go down hill to increase engine braking,.. but there are far better off roaders for sure
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The reason for asking the question on best towing vehicle is that I broke the gearbox on my existing Volvo XC90. When I bought this car, I bought with the towhook supplied by the factory. Apparently nobody told me that you also needed to fit an oilcooler for the gearbox oil. The result was that the gearbox oil overheated and I could buy a new gearbox at 5.000€ !!! I am now planning to buy a new rib ( heavier) so the Volvo will be too light in any case. Apprently Volvo now place an oilcooler standard when you order a car with a towinghook. My claim to Volvo is that they should have supplied one on my old car also but didn't. I am building a case against them and any similar cases that you may know about would/could support my claim. Thanks
Its not only Volvo, wife's family are farmers and a friend turned up in their Ford Granada auto which had just had a new box fitted and the extra oil cooler added due to towing
I've never checked but it may be somewhere in the small print on the paper work for automatic cars

We had a 4x4 galaxy that spat the gearbox out I never mentioned the horsebox and two horses to the dealer, but I did wonder if it needed an oil cooler

Lad at work tows a caravan and I'm sure he has mentioned it
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All the autos I have owned had built in oil coolers - then again they were British cars.....
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