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Old 02 October 2007, 20:51   #21
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All the older LRs had the handbrake operating on all 4 wheels - I should imagine it's still the case.
I pulled the handbrake on one of those once and wrecked the transmission. Scarey and fun.
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Old 02 October 2007, 22:36   #22
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I pulled the handbrake on one of those once and wrecked the transmission. Scarey and fun.
Animal - they are truly viscious!!!
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Old 03 October 2007, 01:39   #23
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Have had a Range Rover4.0 V8 and Toyota Landcruiser Amazon 4.7 V8 and would choose the Landcruiser every time. However looking at your list, Audi Q7, Range Rover & Merc M Class I would choose the Audi Q7 as that just oozes style plus no doubt far more reliable if it is anything to go by the Audi Cars we have owned in the past.
Thanks for the response. By my information the Toyota Landcruiser does not pull 3.5 tonnes, I would have thought that they could pull this weight. Are you sure that it does ?
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Thanks for the response. By my information the Toyota Landcruiser does not pull 3.5 tonnes, I would have thought that they could pull this weight. Are you sure that it does ?
The Landcruiser Amazon does, - 3500kg
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/...px?deriv=24110

Landcruiser (standard one) doesn't - 2800kg
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/...px?deriv=24230

The Nissan Patrol - 2500kg
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/...px?deriv=35256

BMW X5 - 2300kg
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/...px?deriv=26619
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Ummm, I wondered about that one. I pull a 3.5t all-up mini-digger and trailer, but not with the X5. Good job.
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Honda CRV

We have the new Honda CRV (07). It is rated at 2000kg max, which is fine for us - (think the 570 + 100hp + trailer is about 1000kg).

It's the 2.2 litre diesel, and is an excellent all round car, but it is a true 'soft' roader in that there is no low ratio, and 4wd is not permanent.

But it manages very well on slips, and will cruise at 110km/h (about 70mph) happily.

The Honda tow hitch attachment is a very substantial piece of kit, must weigh about 50kg on it's own.
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Very useful, thanks. I called my local Toyota dealer and they had never heard of the Amazon version, but it may be that this is country specific. They did tell me that a new Landcruiser was coming out in Jan-Feb 08 with a V8 Diesel engine at 300HP. They thought it might be called Landcruiser 200 or Landcruiser V8. I will wait with any decision until this car comes out.
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The X5 definitely does NOT pull 3.5t and also suffers from the chelsea tractor problem of not having a low ratio box, this is always useful on slippery, steep launch sites when a tow rope between you and the trailer isn't an option.

I would also question the fuel consumption figures, albeit that I can only go on what my Touareg does (a Q7 with 150mm or so less wheelbase). My Touraeg (the 2.5 R5D with 6 speed auto) has averaged 28mpg on mixed mileage (the computer and accountants figures both work out the same) and a previous 3.0d Sport X5 never did any better than 23mpg for the year. Ok, the Q7 is slightly heavier than the Touareg but I can't imagine it making that much difference to the f/c figures.

Check out the diff arrangements on the Q7/Touaeg/Cayenne and the X5/XC90 etc as well, understand where the power is going.

I have now driven the Range Rover on a mixed XC track as well and was very impressed with that but can't live with the UK depreciation!
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Old 03 October 2007, 07:53   #29
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Volvo XC 90 - overheated gearbox ?

The reason for asking the question on best towing vehicle is that I broke the gearbox on my existing Volvo XC90. When I bought this car, I bought with the towhook supplied by the factory. Apparently nobody told me that you also needed to fit an oilcooler for the gearbox oil. The result was that the gearbox oil overheated and I could buy a new gearbox at 5.000€ !!! I am now planning to buy a new rib ( heavier) so the Volvo will be too light in any case. Apprently Volvo now place an oilcooler standard when you order a car with a towinghook. My claim to Volvo is that they should have supplied one on my old car also but didn't. I am building a case against them and any similar cases that you may know about would/could support my claim. Thanks
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That is a joke - Volvo must have known the XC90 would be used for towing!!!

Land Rovers really will tow silly loads. My old Discovery will tow 3.5 tons very easily and I have actually towed 5.5 tons no problem(on private roads).
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