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Old 21 March 2007, 13:56   #1
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Avoiding Car Tax

If I bought an old Landrover. lets say 1969 era, put a new engine in it, new chassis, new axles and tyres etc. Would I have to pay Road Tax on it.

I am thinking of my next car now.

Time to start thinking laterally because it won't be long before the caveat of built after march 2006 for high polluting vehicles in Band G is lifted and includes all us gas guzzling owners.

Or how easy is it to register yourself as a business a get PLG status on your large engined 4 X 4.
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They have a table of points which correspond to the main parts of the old car.
So many points for the chassis, so many for body, engine, gearbox etc etc and you need either 9 or 12 to qualify.

I'll find you a link

Edit: Here you go http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...le/DG_10014199
need 8 points on that scale to keep the original registration, and tax exemption.

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Old 21 March 2007, 14:30   #3
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Looks like you need the original chassis. Bad idea picking a Landrover then.

Might look for an old Lada.
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Looks like you need the original chassis. Bad idea picking a Landrover then.

Might look for an old Lada.
Is an extra 200 quid (in 2 years time) really going to make that much difference to the total operating cost of your gas guzzler? It struck me as a token gesture towards the ranting greenies/4x4 haters.

Compared to
  1. depreciation
  2. maintainance
  3. tyres
  4. fuel
  5. parking
  6. insurance
  7. tolls
  8. etc

an extra 200 quid is bugger all really.
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200 quid today will be a thousand in a few years.

Anyone know why my little 1.2 Litre bog standard non racy type super mini is £140 to tax ?


I can't get my head round that one.
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In Spain there is no road tax - they put it on the fuel - oh and their fuel is about 25p a litre less than here as well.......
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Is an extra 200 quid (in 2 years time) really going to make that much difference to the total operating cost of your gas guzzler? It struck me as a token gesture towards the ranting greenies/4x4 haters.

Compared to
  1. depreciation
  2. maintainance
  3. tyres
  4. fuel
  5. parking
  6. insurance
  7. tolls
  8. etc
an extra 200 quid is bugger all really.

1: Classic cars don't really deprecate ?
2: there is less to go wrong on a 1969 car than a new one
3: new car needs tyres too
4: fule you need this for a new car
5: parking a 1969 car takes up one space, so dose a 2007 car?
6: insurance is less than a new car
7: tolls these get charged to all cars
etc .......... Classic cars are way than a euro box
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1: Classic cars don't really deprecate ?
2: there is less to go wrong on a 1969 car than a new one
3: new car needs tyres too
4: fule you need this for a new car
5: parking a 1969 car takes up one space, so dose a 2007 car?
6: insurance is less than a new car
7: tolls these get charged to all cars
etc .......... Classic cars are way than a euro box
Matt, I wasn't suggesting that a new car was cheaper than his hairbrained recycled landrover idea - just that actually in the total cost of ownership of either that even the inflated road tax would be a relatively small portion of the total.
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Initially maybe. But over the long term its worth thinking about.

Alternatively buy a car, don't register it and don't pay the tax.

A guy where I live has been doing this for two years now and not got caught.

And yes I have spoken to DVLA. Makes you wonder why though.
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Might not be the done thing, but get something registered before March 2001 and you pay a flat-rate tax. Ok its expensive, but at least you know where you stand.

Alternatively, look here for CO2 ratings for everything registered since 1997. Then bob over to the DVLA site here to see what that level of CO2 output equates to.

Also, look here to see a list of vehicles by manufacturer and VED band.
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and you think that is funny......... that is far too close to the truth.
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Going back to the originality question a lot of the parts mentioned are deemed consumables chassis being one of them. These can be replaced like for like the vehicle still retains its age etc. Like an insurance rebuild not having to be re-registered.
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and you think that is funny......... that is far too close to the truth.

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Going back to the originality question a lot of the parts mentioned are deemed consumables chassis being one of them. These can be replaced like for like the vehicle still retains its age etc. Like an insurance rebuild not having to be re-registered.
The more I think about it the more it seems doable.
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The more I think about it the more it seems doable.
have just got LRO mag..... some nice kit out there SIIa that is what you need ?
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The more I think about it the more it seems doable.
Sounds like Triggers original broom.... 10 new handles and 15 new heads
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Sounds like Triggers original broom.... 10 new handles and 15 new heads


When I heard about this car tax increase I thought exactly the same as what someone else has already said; it's a token gesture. At the end of the day if you drive a modern 4x4 you really aren’t going to notice an extra £200 a year in tax. In my opinion it's just another stealth tax. If the government was really serious about reducing the number of big cars on the road surly they would have put tax up to something stupid like £2k a year.
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If the government was really serious about reducing the number of big cars on the road surly they would have put tax up to something stupid like £2k a year.
Lots of 4x4's are not the biggest cars on the road nor are they all the most polluting or the most uneconomical, by far. The tree huggers' paranoia has given him an opportunity to screw us for more.
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the extra wonga he'll lose on fags has to come from somewhere!....

Dear Tonygordon,

Have you thought about fining bus companies that drive buses around all day with hardly anyone on them apart from a few old people who are only on them because it's free - buses have enormous engines and are driven by nutters who rev the tits off them all the time

P.S. Fire engines seem to have engines that are too big as well...
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