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Old 24 March 2007, 12:00   #21
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Lots of 4x4's are not the biggest cars on the road nor are they all the most polluting or the most uneconomical, by far. The tree huggers' paranoia has given him an opportunity to screw us for more.
Agreed, Tim.
JW - although the press are describing it as a tax on 4x4s - my understanding it is based on exceeding a threshold value of CO2 emissions per mile, rahter than the physical size of the vehicle or transmission type per se. Now there are no doubt arguments that this is not necessarily the best indicator of pollution - but since the world seems most concerned with CO2 - it actually seems a reasonable measure.

However the difference between the bands in terms of tax is so insignificant that it has virtually no influence on someone buying a car.
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Its total bollox. I have a 30 tonner that costs me 650 a year to tax, and does an average of 7.5 mpg, and does around 250 km per day so now my 4x4 is going to cost me almost as much ?.... sorry no parity there at all. The car tax is a pure con and a stealth tax on wealth for peeps that can afford a 4x4 ... nothing else
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JW - although the press are describing it as a tax on 4x4s - my understanding it is based on exceeding a threshold value of CO2 emissions per mile, rahter than the physical size of the vehicle or transmission type per se.
Thanks for that Mr.P. I usually check things out before commenting... that'll teach me.
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P.S. Fire engines seem to have engines that are too big as well...

Not when your house is on fire
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Not when your house is on fire
Or when they are hauling 2 tonnes of water around with them
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Or when they are hauling 2 tonnes of water around with them
I hope they bring a bit more than that to my house if I have a fire, Nos.
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I hope they bring a bit more than that to my house if I have a fire, Nos.

I was thinking of Sausages and burgers JW

Sorry couldn't resist

Well my Kia 4x4 will only cost me the same as it always did and I'm relived about that, as 100 or 200 would be noticed in my house hold. But in a few years time I'll feel the pinch of the TAX when I upgrade or replace my car. I think Biggles is right when he says it won't stop there.

Stealth tax.....If I were in government enviromental tax would be done at source and passed down. It's much fairer to put petrol or diesel up than road tax as it's pay-as-you-go.
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I hope they bring a bit more than that to my house if I have a fire, Nos.
According to google that's what they carry as an onboard reserve-1800 to 2200 litres of water.. The water carriers apparently carry 8000 litres.
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It irritates me to hear the press talking about the 'tax on 4x4s'. As has already been said, it has NOTHING to do with transmission configuration and everything to do with CO2 output.

Of course it's actually socialist propoganda because even if we all stopped using internal combustion powered personal transport tomorrow, the UK's net CO2 production would only go down by about 2%. When you consider that the UK produces something like 2% of the entire world's CO2...
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Gordon Brown is a Tw*t

Our beloved Gordon has cocked up so much, and it is only now that people are beginning to wake up.

Sold our Gold reserve at a low price
Robbed the pension funds
Fueled the huge property boom
Made the tax system so complicated that no one understands it any more.

As an example I have just received in the post a card entitling me to free prescriptions, free NHS Dental treatment (If you can find a dentist!) and a free wig. Yes that last bit is true!

Why do I find this funny? Well, I own 15 houses outright, am extremely well off but because of Gordons daft system can employ expensive accountants to avoid his stupid taxes. I just feel really sorry for people on PAYE.

In the past I have always paid my share but if the idiot introduces loopholes he obviously wants me to use them. Anyway the money would only be wasted killing inocents in illegal wars!
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