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Old 30 April 2007, 18:14   #11
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maybe it was a half price car!!
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Old 30 April 2007, 19:28   #12
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Something twitchy and RWD usually lets you know BEFORE you get into trouble - if you can read it right.

Feel is what it's all about - something many modern cars are sadly lacking. Drive a Caterham or a Westie and people will know what I mean.
What a ridiculous generalisation! All RWD cars these days have just as much electronics as a FWS or AWD car! You will not know you've made a mistake until the mistake is so big that the computer can't correct it.

You cannot compare a RWD Caterham to a RWD BMW (for example). You are talking about two very different vehicles, and two very different owners. The cars you use as an example are not what people use as their daily-drivers - the people that own them are INTO their cars... but that doesn't mean that they would know what the sensation of the back-end stepping-out would be like!

I agree that "feel" is what it's about... for me, it's the same as driving a RIB or SIB console or tiller. As much as I love my Audi A4, it's not the same as driving my 1976 Mini. In one I feel cosseted, in one I feel connected. One is good for trekking up and down the country, one is good for short blasts.

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Old 30 April 2007, 22:07   #13
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What a ridiculous generalisation! All RWD cars these days have just as much electronics as a FWS or AWD car! You will not know you've made a mistake until the mistake is so big that the computer can't correct it.

You cannot compare a RWD Caterham to a RWD BMW (for example). You are talking about two very different vehicles, and two very different owners. The cars you use as an example are not what people use as their daily-drivers - the people that own them are INTO their cars... but that doesn't mean that they would know what the sensation of the back-end stepping-out would be like!

I agree that "feel" is what it's about... for me, it's the same as driving a RIB or SIB console or tiller. As much as I love my Audi A4, it's not the same as driving my 1976 Mini. In one I feel cosseted, in one I feel connected. One is good for trekking up and down the country, one is good for short blasts.

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I never said ALL RWD cars!!! I once had the misfortune of driving a Sierra - it may have been RWD but yuch - talk about understeer.....

Decent RWD cars let you turn off the electronic aids - the RX8 for example is a joy to drive but the 350z - even with them off - still leaves you feeling numb.

As to old minis - awesome cars. Saw some in the Pyrenees in Italien job colours being chased by some motorbikes - the bikers just couldn't keep up on the twisty bits.
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Old 01 May 2007, 02:41   #14
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Audi gave me one for a day to tempt me from my S6 quattro, and I can say they are incredibly fast motors, with astounding grip. The trouble is though that you just want to keep pushing it, to see what it will take. Say what you want about the Gerries, they build excellent motors. The guy who sold my S6 said youll kill yourself in the wifes Nissan Hatchback before an S6, meaning that once you are used to the grip and 4wd, anything else is dangerous. He had a point, but I wasn't overly excited by his sentiment
That is me on my 6th Audi and all bar the 1st one have been Quattros and you are so right once you have had something with the constant grip of one of these you really do miss it. Had a BMW & a Porsche for a while and at times you could not just get the grip to go down.
The laws of physics are still there and 4wd can’t make you stop any quicker and it is not a magic force field as the photos of the RS6 show. When it is wet (as it is known to be in this land of ours) and you are looking to “make progress”
I know what I would be wanting to drive.
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I agree that "feel" is what it's about... for me, it's the same as driving a RIB or SIB console or tiller. As much as I love my Audi A4, it's not the same as driving my 1976 Mini. In one I feel cosseted, in one I feel connected. One is good for trekking up and down the country, one is good for short blasts.

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your feelings and Tiff's
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Very lucky guy! Anyone in the passenger seat would have been smeared all over the wreckage...
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That is me on my 6th Audi and all bar the 1st one have been Quattros and you are so right once you have had something with the constant grip of one of these you really do miss it. Had a BMW & a Porsche for a while and at times you could not just get the grip to go down.
The laws of physics are still there and 4wd can’t make you stop any quicker and it is not a magic force field as the photos of the RS6 show. When it is wet (as it is known to be in this land of ours) and you are looking to “make progress”
I know what I would be wanting to drive.
I had an RS4 estate for a while - seriously quick but not very involving. I like cars that are raw and do what I tell them to. Not a lover of electronic gadgets to "help" me drive. I drive my mates Ferrari 360 quite a bit and again it's just too refined - once had a go in an F40 - now that was an experience - scares the life out of you just sitting in it. What a thrill.
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a disco is very raw
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a disco is very raw
Not compared to a Series III it isn't!!!
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However I am guessing that the driver of the wrecked Audi is pleased he bought his numb, electronicaly controlled and unraw car rather than a Caterham. Had he gone for the 'real' car he would not be walking or talking today.
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