Any kit car experts? Ford Magic

[slimtim]

Me mate mike has this old kit car that we plan to do up. Its a Ford Magic and we think it might be based on an escort chassis. Can't find any info on the net at all so was wondering if anyone on here might know anything?

We think it either has a 1.6 engine or a 2 litre racing tuned cosworth in it, but don't yet know which one it is...stupid question: how do we tell?!

Any info anyone could give on the car, or just about doing it up would be appreciated.

Cheers

Tim

[Rogue Wave]

C'mon codders this is your moment!

If he can't help try this site

http://uk.noddy.com/site/ I think you'll see a picture of it in the bottom left corner. Sorry Tim Couldn't help it!

[codprawn]

http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/foru...read.php?t=290

Magic, in production in 94 Scorhill Motor Co, Units 41-43 Enterprise House,
44/46 Terrace Rd, Walton on Thames, Surrey KT12 2SD Tel 0932 254 005.

95, at The Coachworks,Colonels Lane, Chertsey, Surrey KT16 8RH Tel 01932 566
688,

member of ASCM.

Disappears in 96,

not found on the companies house register.

Very little info out there - you have a rare one!!!

Try contacting this bloke

http://www.geocities.com/taoist_goth/jcoleman.htm

He used to have one - along with a load of other kit cars.

http://www.geocities.com/taoist_goth/jcoleman.htm

7th photo down - just see the arse end of it!!!

That's me done - attention span decreasing rapidly......

[Clive]

Originally Posted by slimtim

Me mate mike has this old kit car that we plan to do up. Its a Ford Magic and we think it might be based on an escort chassis. Can't find any info on the net at all so was wondering if anyone on here might know anything?

We think it either has a 1.6 engine or a 2 litre racing tuned cosworth in it, but don't yet know which one it is...stupid question: how do we tell?!

Any info anyone could give on the car, or just about doing it up would be appreciated.

Cheers

Tim

Hi
the engine you have there is the ford 2 ltr ghia engine with twin choke webber carbs as used in escort mk11ghia, cortina ghia, capri ghia,

i am not sure but i believe some early escort mk111s may have been rwd the reason i say this is the chassis you have there is not a mk11 escort unless the front suspension has been heavily modified which i doubt.
so may be a mk111 during the crossover to fwd.
if it doesnt have cosworth on it it probably isnt as the cozzy engines were
mostly turbos. it may however be a mexico.
this doesnt matter much the 2 ltr is a good strong engine.with the webbers.
when i was a boy this is the kind of engine that would see off nearly everthing else except the v6.
should be an easy project for you.

[Carl]

the name for that type of engine is a "pinto"

[slimtim]

cool thanks guys, sounds like you know your stuff about ford engines! You have any other useful info/advice? Like how do we increase the grunt The carbs are indeed webbers, there are loads of spare carbs lying around as well.

It seems from cods searching that it is actually a scorhill magic and based on a ford cortina (i think). Here's a pic of a shiney one:

http://www.dutton-club.de/images/member/194/194_3.jpg

Rogue , funny you say that as apparently it was dressed up as a noddy car in the carnival some years ago

[Pete7]

Tim your problem won't be a lack of hp more who you are going to insure her with. That car will weigh about 500kgs and you can probably lift the back end up on your own, so superb ower to weight ratio. I had a Dutton Phaeton with a 2 litre Vitesse many years ago and ended up insuring her with Adrian Flux,

http://www.adrianflux.co.uk/kit-cars-detail-go.php

Check the wiring carefully, with a GRP body it will have earth as well as positive wires, just like a rib.

Pete

[Clive]

More grunt hmm... electronic ignition is a good start fit that.
webbers like piper filters or k&n if on a budget dont forget to rejet the carbs.
powerflo exhaust ....all that should give you about 25 / 30 extra horses maybe more if the lump is a good'n you could re cam if your serious and double that to an extra 60/70 hp if done by a real pro.

[vince]

Could always rebore to 2.1, the pinto was a good engine for that.

[Nos4r2]

For extra power you want a set of Side draught DCOE twin 40 Weber carbs with this manifold and a fast road cam (a decent head and fast road cam would be better though if you're really serious. Stick a good 4-branch manifold on too.
Anything bigger than twin 40's will mean serious engine work to get it to rev high enough to develope power without going bang.

But in all fairness you'd get better results and drivability if you bought a scrap Sierra Sapphire 2.0glsi and stuck that engine and injection system in (it'll bolt up to the box without too much hassle).


The engine in the car at the moment will die quite fast if you run it on unleaded btw-they don't have hardened valve seats-they are so soft you can seat the valves on a pinto with a hammer if you know how hard to hit them...

[pathalla]

Could wash the car...

[Rogue Wave]

Originally Posted by Pete7

Tim your problem won't be a lack of hp more who you are going to insure her with. That car will weigh about 500kgs and you can probably lift the back end up on your own, so superb power to weight ratio.
Pete

When it's going make sure you don't go too fast or you'll get in to trouble with Mr. Plod

Evening All

[Searider]

Tim,

What you'll normally find with kit cars is that the kit manufacturer supplies the chasis and body. The rest of the parts the builder (first owner) then sources the rest from a donor car / or cars.

So your mates car could have the engine/gearbox/ rear axle from a mk11 escort / capri / sierra / granada.

There are exceptions to this - I believe that there are some kits that use a spitfire chassis.

For engine bits and tuning have a look at vulcan engineerings website. Unfortunately proper engine mods will be costly.

I wouldn't spend too much money on it as it probably won't be worth more than a few thousand even in tip top condition.
Good toy for the summer if running well though!

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by Searider

Tim,

Good toy for the summer if running well though!

Will certainly look good chugging round the island during the summer.

[WilliamGoss]

Hi Tim,

I have one of these "Scorhill Magic"s

I built it myself and still own it, but rarely get a chance to drive it.

I am not far from IOW.

I am not sure the best way to swap contact details, maybe someone here can suggest.

Thanks,

William.

[uliw2004]

Hi together,

I am the owner of the "shiney" (Thanks to Tim) Scorhill Magíc, that Tim found on the homepage of Dutton-Club Germany.
Because I hadn´t the possibility to register immediately for this forum, I sent a mail directly to Tim, but after reading, that there is more interest in the Scorhill Magic, I will repeat it here:

Something about the car:

I bought the Scorhill in june 2004 on ebay by a seller, who had imported it from GB. At that time the Scorhill was licensed only in GB, but not in Germany (you can recognize it by the british license plate number on the photo). The car wasn´t perfect, but I could drive home with it on a distance of about 300 km. The first problem was, to get a german license for it, because the german Technical Inspection Authority (called TÜV) didn´t know this car and so they had to test all parts as if it was a prototype.
After washing, polishing and some small repairs we presented it to the "TÜV". 14 days and a few heart attacks later I had the official permittance, to drive this car on german roads. During the summer we drove the Scorhill and had a lot of fun with it.
The first winter I decided, to restore the rear axle, the rear brakes and the fuel tank, because all parts were rusty and ugly. And that was the beginning of all problems: What sort of axle, what sort of brakes, fuel tank, engine, stearing and so on.
Today I know my car because I have spent a lot of hours in recognizing the parts.
At the first look I would say, you have the same equipment in your Scorhill, as I have. It is built on a Ford Cortina MK IV with a 1.6 or 2.0 OHC-Engine.
The front axle and the brake booster seem to be from a Cortina too. The carburator is a Weber 32/36 DGAV. I suppose, that the gear box, the electric equipment and the rear axle will be Cortina parts too. But you must attend, that there were used two different rear axles depending on the engine. If the break drums have a diameter of 228,6 mm inside it will be the "big axle".
The complete windscreen wiper including motor and all other parts usually is borrowed from an Austin Mini.
The seats seem to be Cobra seats, you can find similar parts on some homepages in GB. I found them a little bit too broad, so I rebuilded them a bit smaller and let them pad with black and yellow leather.
The following winter I disassembled the front axle and the stearing and restored it completely. Also I splashed out on a electronic ignition.
The last winter I disassembled all parts from the engine, derusted and cleaned all completely and mounted a new radiator, because the old one wasn´t the best.
In the moment, my Scorhill is on the road again, but in the following winter, he will get a new dashboard from special wooden inlay and some special instruments..

Some pics of my car you will find here:

http://www.pixum.de/members/fordtaun...38bc704aede4a5

If anyone is interested in more information, please tell me. I would send you some scans (for example the complete service manual of the Ford Taunus II = Cortina MK IV) on a CD, but you must know, the most of them are in German.

A last annotation: As far as I know, my Scorhill is the only one in Germany.

Greetings from Wesel in Germany

Uli

[Lee carver]

I have brought a ford scorhill kit car with a 2.3 v6 ford lump in it. I have completely stripped it down for a re spray and re build. I have a build manual from the original owner but is there any think people could tell me that may be of interest to me??? I haven't managed to find much information online about this car is it because there crap or they are rear. Can anyone give me a estimated value of one in mint condition??